Funny lol looks like they are trying to find out how to put AtG load on the Typhoon…
Hum wish I could do a night in rafaletown…
Is this still a discussion about fighter aircraft whose main purpose is to carry a payload into combat condition whether it’s AtA missiles, AtG, or recon ?
Is it just me or does that X31 looks strangly like the “big” brother of the Typhoon ?
If I may, I think this article does its best to explain a few things. I’ve added my commentaries in ().

Drag is the aerodynamic force that opposes an aircraft’s motion through the air. Drag is generated by every part of the airplane (even the engines!). How is drag generated?
Drag is a mechanical force. It is generated by the interaction and contact of a solid body with a fluid (liquid or gas). It is not generated by a force field, in the sense of a gravitational field or an electromagnetic field, where one object can affect another object without being in physical contact. For drag to be generated, the solid body must be in contact with the fluid. If there is no fluid, there is no drag. Drag is generated by the difference in velocity between the solid object and the fluid. There must be motion between the object and the fluid. If there is no motion, there is no drag. It makes no difference whether the object moves through a static fluid or whether the fluid moves past a static solid object.
Drag is a force and is therefore a vector quantity having both a magnitude and a direction. Drag acts in a direction that is opposite to the motion of the aircraft. Lift acts perpendicular to the motion. There are many factors that affect the magnitude of the drag. Many of the factors also affect lift but there are some factors that are unique to aircraft drag.
We can think of drag as aerodynamic friction, and one of the sources of drag is the skin friction between the molecules of the air and the solid surface of the aircraft. Because the skin friction is an interaction between a solid and a gas, the magnitude of the skin friction depends on properties of both solid and gas. For the solid, a smooth, waxed surface produces less skin friction than a roughened surface. For the gas, the magnitude depends on the viscosity of the air (i.e altitude) and the relative magnitude of the viscous forces to the motion of the flow, expressed as the Reynolds number. Along the solid surface, a boundary layer of low energy flow is generated and the magnitude of the skin friction depends on conditions in the boundary layer.
We can also think of drag as aerodynamic resistance to the motion of the object through the fluid. This source of drag depends on the shape of the aircraft and is called form drag. As air flows around a body, the local velocity and pressure are changed. Since pressure is a measure of the momentum of the gas molecules and a change in momentum produces a force, a varying pressure distribution will produce a force on the body. We can determine the magnitude of the force by integrating (or adding up) the local pressure times the surface area around the entire body. The component of the aerodynamic force that is opposed to the motion is the drag; the component perpendicular to the motion is the lift. Both the lift and drag force act through the center of pressure of the object (ie barycentric).
There is an additional drag component caused by the generation of lift. Aerodynamicists have named this component the induced drag. This drag occurs because the flow near the wing tips is distorted spanwise as a result of the pressure difference from the top to the bottom of the wing. Swirling vortices are formed at the wing tips, which produce a swirling flow which is very strong near the wing tips and decreases toward the wing root. The local angle of attack of the wing is increased by the induced flow of the tip vortex, giving an additional, downstream-facing, component to the aerodynamic force acting on the wing (ie that’s the reason why only the advent of fly by wire has made possible true swing role aircraft. Else one would have to jettison its bombs in order to be effective in AtA combat or have an escort!). This additional force is called induced drag because it has been “induced” by the action of the tip vortices. It is also called “drag due to lift” because it only occurs on finite, lifting wings (which can be deteriorate by a mechanical force “body force” by adding munition directly on the wing which are supposed to create the “lift”, it’s of course reduced by using delta wings Rafale, Typhoon and in a lesser measure F 22, or wing flying B 2). The magnitude of induced drag depends on the amount of lift being generated by the wing and on the wing geometry. Long, thin (chordwise) wings have low induced drag; short wings with a large chord have high induced drag. Modern airliners use winglets to reduce the induced drag of the wing.
Additional sources of drag include wave drag and ram drag. As an aircraft approaches the speed of sound, shock waves are generated along the surface. There is an additional drag penalty (called wave drag) that is associated with the formation of the shock waves. The magnitude of the wave drag depends on the Mach number of the flow. Ram drag is associated with slowing down the free stream air as air is brought inside the aircraft. Jet engines and cooling inlets on the aircraft are sources of ram drag.
@ Fedaykin : Man are you so afraid that every comment that doesn’t go toward the eurofighter is necessarily a attempt to bring down the Eurofighter empire… oups I meant consortium ?
@ c-seven : Been a partner means that India will have as much right as will UK, Germany, Spain and Italy (at least we hope). So India will own Typhoon to a % that will have to be discussed, India will share a part of the Eurofighter consortium. So if Germany try to embargo India, India can in turn embargo Germany and stop the delivery of part (that would by then be produced by India).
So there is no way Germany would do that unless the US and the UN say no more toys for India.
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I think you are very quick to call other people’s opinion stupid. I don’t think he said that Germany would embargo any country using nuclear energy since that would simply be impossible (US, UK, France, China just to name a few).
What is been said is that Germany could embargo India if India was to go to war or have a attitude that would not be “politicaly” correct according to them.
For exemple their refusal to participate the the military action in Libya, which might be a good thing, still is problematic for NATA since they have one of the world best EM warfare unit (that is just one exemple).
However C-Seven statement is still incorrect since if India buy the Typhoon, India would become the 5th partner and be the largest user of Typhoon certainly one of the most influencial. It would take a major embargo by the UN, US, Europe etc to affect India.
The closed architecture of the F 22 + sensor fusion mean that the integration is going to take more time than other platforms (and potentially be more costly).
David Cameron has been told by UK intelligence that Muammar Gaddafi is increasingly paranoid, on the run, and hiding in hospitals by night, and that his senior commanders in the regime are unable to communicate with one another.
The reports from MI6 relayed to the cabinet’s national security council this week prompted Cameron to authorise a high-risk escalation of attacks by agreeing to deploy four Apache helicopters into Libya with orders to gun down regime leaders and assets hiding in built-up areas.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/may/26/gaddafi-paranoid-run-cameron
The B-2 flew in Libya, and even the F/A 18 prowler with high tech jamming was considered too vulnerable to flew in the opening of the war. So just for propaganda purposes (which the US is known to be good at) they sure would have flew the F 22 is they could have (even if it was just to show congress the utility of the plane and ask for more). But anyway, that’s not the point.
The F 22 is considered to be more stealthy than the F 35, so I find this comment from a F 22’s test pilot very interesting (knowing that the F 22 is not the only one with high tech sensors…).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFh-1gHXt8 : look from 2:32.
Edit : 5:34 is also interesting.
Apart from reducing risk by providing a lot of data to confirm assumptions, wouldn’t the existence of a demonstrator reduce development time for the real thing if someone chose to order it?
Sure it would. But you would still need to put lot of money to make sure it’s really working. Navalised aircraft are always expensive.
It would sure be a surprise if USMC bought the Gripen. But I think LM and Boeing are going to die before that happen.
When you look at each competitions, Rafale is among the few who made it to the final each time. That’s what you call a constant.
India proved that those who chose between US and Rafale chose a “relationship” and not a plane.
By the way, the SuperHornet was only exported to Australia as a “stop gap” because of the delays of the F35.
And the Brazil is still a big ? because of the French president f… up during the attempt of negociation with Iran by Brazil and Turkey. (Because of him everything involving Turkey turn into a mess, like with NATO and Libya).
Rafale too can be sexy :p !!
Can they still fit a tank or bombs along with the pod ?
Those who are the more bored seems to be the first to post though…:D
To say that we cannot take a french pilot’s word into account is utterly unfair since 99,9% of what we know about F22&F35 (and fight over) are from LM PR&test pilots.