Yeah, already debunked…

The Russian lady clearly ask if the MMRCA contract is worth ONE billion (she even said 1 in English) dollar and Dassault CEO answers obviously that it’s more than that. Subtitles states wrongly $20B, probably because it was supposed to be the pre-planed question and the Russian journalist is ,at best, just careless.

I believe that was ‘vingt’.

You’ve thought wrong. The original HAL-built MKIs (Mk1 standard) were $15mil a pop cheaper (flyaway) than the initial batch delivered by IAPO (the ones without the anti-glare panel).

Source?

Regarding that article of yours, it could be that they are comparing the incomparable as HAL is currently delivering Su-30MKI Mk3 standard with Hyderabad computer suite. I am not even sure if IAPO do deliver this version, at all.

Could be. But rather than the computer suite, its likely to be the airframe that’s more expensive

Planned for incorporation into the Su-30MKI fuselage on a progressive basis from 2006 through to 2017 on 114 of the 140 HAL-built Su-30MKI Mk3s are all-composite structures like wing spars and wing boxes, air intakes, fairing skins, fairing blocks, co-cured co-bonded fin and centre-fuselage components, elevators, rudder and its all-composite torque shaft, ailerons, belly fairings, landing gear doors, ceramic thermal barrier linings, and ceramic brake-pads. (link)

I find that there are many statements made by officials and IAF/ex-IAF personnel that later prove not to be correct. Who is the “top defence ministry official” quoted? Is he a reliable source with access to the numbers given?

Eric Trapp, President and CEO, Dassault. Vedomosti.ru interview.

– Will be a huge contract. Rafale sale to India is very important to us. Negotiations began last year and are going well. Always difficult to predict the date of the termination of negotiations and signing of the contract. But we are seeing a lot of activity on the part of our team and the Indian authorities. On such a huge contract you need a lot of time. Everything is complicated by the fact that the Rafale will be produced in India – requires detailed agreement with Indian aviation industry. I am confident that the contract will be signed. And what will happen next year in connection with the Indian elections, I do not presume to comment.

– What is the total amount of the contract?

– This is confidential information you need to ask this from the Indian government.

– As far as the estimate of $ 20 billion?

– No, it’s much more.

Link

omgz how many times will i have to link officially known prices for Rafale fly away?

its in this articl (the link)

http://translate.google.com/translate?client=tmpg&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fportail-aviation.blogspot.fr%2F2013%2F12%2Fle-veritable-prix-du-rafale-par-version.html&langpair=fr|en

I don’t think the cost to France is under dispute. From the article under discussion –

In January 2012, when Rafale was declared the winner, its price was quoted between $60-65 million (Rs373-Rs400 crore).

I’m fairly certain that’s the flyaway cost being referenced.

Does that concern those initial 18 aircraft only? What is the quoted price of future Rafales made by HAL?

Doesn’t say, but I think they’re quoting the average flyaway cost. The aircraft manufactured by HAL would be about the same price (if not higher) – smaller scale production but lower labour costs. The first 20-40 will be simple CKD assembly with gradual introduction of locally build components.

Trouble is, this was economically viable only when an eventual order totaling 200 units+ was a given. But with the delays in the program, the follow-on order for 84 aircraft (if placed), will result in deliveries no earlier than 2025 (probably much later). By that point the IAF/MoD will probably prefer to pursue a different platform. With orders capped at 126, the benefits of ToT and license building are greatly reduced.

why did I include this quote in my first response?. they have cold feet now since price got double. wait until they know the price of Rafale primary armament like Meteor etc.

You’re right. Your post had no point at all, simply parroting back what the article already says.

this give you ball park figure. if you do straight extrapolation minimum is $13b for 126 fighters based on 2002 price when Euro-Dollar was parity. now Euro is 35% more expensive. and add 12 years worth of inflation and capability enhancement. bare minium the deal should be $20b. and than add to that licensing cost. so why get surprised by $28 to $30b cost. these things are know facts.
just like 9b Euro 60 Rafale offer to UAE. India prices simply cant go below that.

Did the article say that the MoD was ‘surprised’?