As seahawk said, they had dif missions, but other than accuracy, how does the warhead of a Granit compare with the 14″-16″ AP shells that the Iowas were designed to take hits from? At best they have the same weight, but does the missile have the AP ability that the (shells that the Iowas armor was designed to defeat) did? Were these missiles designed to attack heavily armored battleships like the Iowas, which were designed with high angle shell strikes in mind, or on the types of ships that exist today, which lack most all of said armor. The Granits warhead is HE, not AP, and that has to be factored in.

Well done Crusader, I have been looking for pics of that Iowa class proposal for ages.

I have the whole article. To large to attach, so I just did parts of it. PM me if you would like me to email it to you.

Hahahaha Funny Sader, I don’t even play it as well and up untill three nights ago I’d never used ebay before.

There is a little hope mate, France are offering their old Saders for only 1 Euro as pointed out in the F-8 Thread in the Modern Airforce section 😉 As I said, it’s only a small hope. Personally I’d like to buy two, have one as a door guard to my place and fly the other around, just to show off and out do those guys with their hotted up cars! Never did like those type!!!

I agree! That 1 Euro deal has me real interested, in that I would love to have an F-8 at our museum here in Charlotte! We are slated for an F-14, and just got a CH-46E. Also working on an AV-8A/C, but there was a delay with the Corps. I need to find out the details of the French Crusader offer….

OK I’ve read a few things on this thread and I guess it’s time to clear up a few things.

1. Sao Paulo can’t operate anything heavier than the current A-4 because the steam cat she has won’t take the load, if you’ll observe, not even the Trainer versions put to sea due to the heavier weight. The MdB is looking at refitting a stronger system capable of launching heavier a/c but funds are hard to come by atm what with Brazil needing other defence toys to play with. A-7’s would be right out due to their weight as would most things these days including a naval AMX, though one thought does spring to mind, a naval Tejas might work, hmmmm.

??They launched F-8s for years, and an A-7 weighs less than an F-8, though not at full load for the later models (approx 42k lbs (A-7) vs roughly 38k lbs (F-8) ) , so I just don’t see that as being true, unless the cats on there now are less than what the French were using. Are they? The A-7s would still be able to carry a decent load, and get launched, even though this is all a pipe dream. Personally, I’d love to see them beef up the cats and get either Rafs or some secondhand F-4s with the latest goodies.

The Corsair II would be a good mud mover, but the carrier group needs an outer protection screen in the form of air defense fighters. Hence, the chosen platform would have to be a multirole fighter.

Multiroles: A-4, F/A-18A/C, Harrier, or the “Goshawk 200”. In the Naval Forum, someone posted some data about Sao Paulo´s catapults and lifts: they could handle a Hornet (A/C) without its full load. The Subpar Hornet is out of question, as is a fully loaded regular Hornet.

*** Since the Brazilian military has cancelled a much more needed program – the FX, needed to protect Brazilian airspace and acquire technology – I seriously doubt that the Navy would be allowed to get new-built fighters, such as a AMX-N or Goshawk. So, it could be an upgraded A-4 or an used Hornet.

Could not the A-7s be upgraded tp improve a2a ability? They already have rails for Sidewinders, and I would think they could be bought second hand from US stock fairly cheaply. I would think that they would still have a good bit of life left in them.

31 killed in Marine chopper crash

Very sad news. What kind of chopper could it be? MH-53?

A CH-53E, from what I understand. An Echo, as the Jarheads know it….

There was a fictional film about the USS Nimitz going through a bad storm that turned out to be a time warp. It ended up just before the Pearl Harbour attack and set about trying to change history. The bit I always remember is the Japanese pilot who has just been shot down by a Phantom (?) and is landed on the deck by a helio! But I can’t remember the title?
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Final Countdown, and it was an F-14 that shot down the Zero. Neat movie.

We would have survived had we lost a carrier at Pearl, but I think battles may have been planned differently. Like all things, it would have changed all battles that followed. But unless they really just blew it to smithereens, like most of the important ships sunk at Pearl, it woiuld have been raised and rebuilt, so it would only delay the inevitable.