I think everyone accepts that cuts were inevitable given the shambolic state of the MoD’s finances and I can understand the reasons as to why the Army shouldn’t be cut while there’s a major war on. What gets me is the way the RAF’s “Tornado Mafia” blew a hole in the SDSR at the 11th hour mainly as a way of putting one over the Navy. But of course even if JFH had been retained then we’d have the RAF’s cheerleaders bleating about how cutting Tornado was the wrong decision.
I’ve yet to actually hear any of these former top brass put forward a coherent plan as to how the MoD’s overspend could be closed while at the same time losing no capability, the answer is of course there isn’t! But the only answer many service chiefs past and present have is “No don’t cut us! Cut the other lot instead!!”
New development!
Listening to Al Jazeera at the moment, apparently there is Libyan ship off the coast of Malta and the Italian airforce has scrambled to have a look.
40 years ago that would have been a job for the RN and RAF. 🙁
EDIT It seems to be “a naval vessel” trying to defect
http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/02/meanwhile-off-libya-at-sea.html#disqus_thread
As to the fate of the planes, surely they remain the property of the Libyan government, hopefully a much better state is the end result of this revolt, and they can request their return just as Viktor Balenko’s Foxbat was returned to the Soviet Union in a somewhat “disassembled” condition?!
As would the RAF chiefs who sacrificed Joint Force Harrier primarily as a way of putting one over on the Navy.
Yes Britain’s capability to retake the islands has diminshed significantly since 1982 but the ability to defend the islands is much greater with RAF Mount Pleasant and it’s Typhoons, the Army units and the RN patrols. Argentina’s ability to seize the islands has diminshed even more than Britain’s, in 1982 they had a CTOL carrier and a significant amphibious capability, they’re both gone.
Even more pertinent is that there is absolutely no appetite in Argentina for a “Falklands 2,” Argentines obviously still feel strongly about the issue but that doesn’t necessarily transfer into support for military action.
As for the oil, all the test wells so far have barely produced enough oil to fill your petrol tank! Unless someone makes a massive oil find, which looks increasingly unlikely, then I can’t see the Falklands becoming a major flashpoint in the future.
Yes Britain’s capability to retake the islands has diminshed significantly since 1982 but the ability to defend the islands is much greater with RAF Mount Pleasant and it’s Typhoons, the Army units and the RN patrols. Argentina’s ability to seize the islands has diminshed even more than Britain’s, in 1982 they had a CTOL carrier and a significant amphibious capability, they’re both gone.
Even more pertinent is that there is absolutely no appetite in Argentina for a “Falklands 2,” Argentines obviously still feel strongly about the issue but that doesn’t necessarily transfer into support for military action.
As for the oil, all the test wells so far have barely produced enough oil to fill your petrol tank! Unless someone makes a massive oil find, which looks increasingly unlikely, then I can’t see the Falklands becoming a major flashpoint in the future.
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Sorry to disagree here, but Australia, using British tactics with our improvements had some great success, and the same could have been said for any british contribution. that and different media coverage and…….
Agreed but the Aussie’s success were on too small a scale to make any difference. Westmoreland criticised the Australian troops for “not being aggressive enough.” I’m skeptical if the British would have had any more success in persuading the Americans to implement a Malaya strategy. Unless that was done then the end result will still be the same.
What works in one campaign may not necessarily apply in another. In both Malaya and Borneo the local population were largely sympathetic to Britain, in Malaya the insurgents were isolated from their Soviet sponsors and couldn’t receive supplies on a large scale, whereas in Vietnam the VC could be. While Britain did succeed in Malaya and Borneo it failed to put down the Aden insurgency albeit the military and political circumstances were very different.
For this to have happened then as a minimum the Tories need to win the 1964 election, they almost certainly would have committed a UK force to Vietnam. Given that the Aden and Borneo campaigns were ongoing until 1966/67 it’s doubtful how much the Army and the RAF could have contributed, though its possible that you could have seen V-Bombers carrying out raids on Vietnam from Singapore or Labuan.
However even with a different government unless they take a radically different economic policy then the costs of keeping a significan presence East of Suez and projects such as CVA-01 are going to become increasingly difficult to bear. So even if Britain gets involved in Vietnam then that’s no guarantee that CVA-01 would have gone ahead as the RN wanted. Perhaps the subsequent run down won’t be as dramatic but it will happen in some form.
Or you may just be forgetting RN operations in Scapa Flow around that time, about 50 nmi north of Lossiemouth. Today, I see no real reason to base them in Scotland, with the exception of Scottish nationalist political ones. I’d base them as far South as possible.
I think Scapa is a bit further away than 50 mi, perhaps you mean Invergordon? In any case Lossie’s heyday as an FAA base was the 1960’s after the RN had closed both of those bases. There is of course no reason why the F-35’s should be based up there but there is a political one, the closure of Kinloss has proved very unpopular in Scotland, the Lib Dems have a lot of MP’s and MSP’s in the Highlands. Closing Lossie would see a lot of them thrown out same as for Leuchars which is in Ming Campbell’s seat. Therefore I expect that both the Scottish bases while survive and Marham will get the chop for reasons that have little to do with operational requirements.
A lot of English based media have gone on about basing F35 at Lossie and it being so far away from the Carrier’s base. Why not use that to it’s advantage. On each return to base the Carrier does a tour of the UK with fly pasts etc as flag waving exercises to boost recruitment etc. Drops off its aircraft and lets remember it doesn’t exactly have to dock at Lossie to off load, before heading back.
Obviously they have no idea about Lossie’s previous life as an FAA base for aircraft operating off carriers based in Plymouth. Fact checking and historical research mustn’t be a strong point of theirs! 😀
With what? Over the last 30 years both conservative leaders have done their best to get rid of both equipment and manufacturing capability. You can’t build up rapidly like the 40s.
To be fair to the Tories by 1979 a lot of British industry was outdated and inefficient with incompetent managers. The sad fact is that the contraction of British industry was inevitable unless just about every major economic decision since 1945 had been taken differently.
But we’re going off topic again!
Indians dont want the aid okay…
Could you please let our Prime Minister know that? 😉
But Britain is still giving hundreds of millions of pounds per year in aid money to India.
Which is beyond parody! I can fully understand using international aid as soft power and I know that there is still much extreme poverty in India and I also recognise that India faces a number of external and internal security threats which necessitate significant defence spending but you do have to wonder why a nation which plans to create a manned space programme should receive so much UK aid money.
The big difference here is the Indian government is committed to being a power. The UK government is committed to no longer being one.
Another factor is that India has a rapidly growing economy and has money to burn while in contrast Britain is struggling to emerge from a severe recession and it’s public finances are in a complete mess.