firebarBoth the YF-12A and XB-70 had solved that problem. And both of those would have been cruising there for extended periods versus brief excursions.
Of course, but both were experimental and underdeveloped aircraft.
Remember that XB-70 no1 has been banned to fly at more than 2,5 mach, after a few excursions to 3 mach.
No.2 crashed after a few flights, so we can not tell how it could have behaved anyway.
It is known that engine unstarts, for example, has never been solved, etc, etc.
The same is true for YF-12. The unstarts, radome melting, radar thermal protection, painstakingly slow descent rates, total lack of maneuverability, etc, are only some of its problems.
They are like Sukhoi T-4. We can not tell how it would have been in service.
firebarThe USN seems think it was useful but I guess you’re much smarter than them huh? :rolleyes:
Sferrin, it was a vain attempt to prolong its service life by making of it a more useful machine.
firebarThe MiG-25/31 are only combat aircraft ever to break thermal barrier, 2,5 Mach.
firebarJust go over to the impressive loads thread. There are several photos of Tomcats with bombs there :diablo:
You can hang bombs under any aircraft, but could it be useful as a bomber is another issue.
firebarYou should not forget the FAI conspiracy.
http://records.fai.org/general_aviation/aircraft.asp?id=675
It’s a E-266M with stronger RD-F = (R-15BF2-300) 2 x 14000kp.
14000kp is a little bit more thrust as 10980kp (RB-15BD-300)E-266
http://records.fai.org/general_aviation/aircraft.asp?id=383
500km Rekords without payload!SR-71
http://records.fai.org/general_aviation/aircraft.asp?id=779
-Did you noticed that with 2t payload MiG is still the fastest over 1000 km circuit ?
-The YF-12 over 1000 km and 500 km circuits was far slower than MIG.
Difference is not small. Check it.
And MIGs 2600 km/h over 100 km circuit is truly fantastic. It is proof of its high speed maneuverability.
firebarThen the FOXBAT isn’t multi-mission by your definition. The MiG-25RB and MiG-25BM have no A/A capability. If your definition is air to air and air to ground, then the FOXBAT doesn’t fit, as it needs separate variants to fulfill those roles.
The MIG-25 is a multi role aircraft because it can, as aircraft, be used in many roles. I do not mention any of its variants specifically.
Just like F-4 which can be used in many roles, but not all versions of F-4 are capable of all roles.
The F-14 had a very potent PGM capability before it was retired (LGBs, LANTIRN targeting pods…). The F-14D could even carry the AGM-88, although this capability was apparently never tried operationally.
Of course, but it was used only late in its life, just before its retirement.
Why not? The MiG-25P and F-15 were.
Because it depends of particular aerodynamics and stability, strength, etc. Just as, for example, Blackbird, as aircraft platform, is incapable of carrying bombs.
firebar[QUOTE]
Firebar,
If the F-14 was not designed as a multi role aircraft perhaps you can explain what the ‘bomb release’ button does on the control stick.. you know, the one to the right of the coolie hat trim button on the top of the column….The one you have to use your right thumb to activate..
Or even you could explain why Grumman tested all of the then current A2G weapons in the NavAir inventory in the early 70s and cleared then thro the contractor trials as listed in the contract for the F-14.. to ensure it met the spec in the contract..
The capabilty was limited in comparison to the A-6 for sure, but it was built in from the beginning..
Come on Firebar…you need to do some more research…
It is true that the F-14 was tested with bombs, but that fact is that it started to carry them late in its inventory life, in nineties. But it proved to be a bad decision. It was simply not designed to be anything other than interceptor.
Also the MiG 25 radar tracks are hardly in the same as a FAI observed record is it now….especially when both the observed, official records for the Ye 266, the specification for the Mig 25 of max Mach being 2.85 tend to support the 2.85 figure rather than the 3.2…granted it could go faster, just like the max Mach for the Sr was 3.2, but it could fly faster…
You forgot that Indian, and other sources, also say “3 Mach”.
The Russians are not the only operator of MiG-25.
Regarding John Barron book ‘Mig pilot”, note that it say that MiG-25 has been flying at 3,2 Mach many times.
firebarwell, there are some biased “facts” that keept for years and years, like the famous “engine burning” of the mig 25 after M3 -belkayov-, or it lack of performance taking modern planes in close combat -some skirmishes in gulf war 1-
anyway i dont think that the mig25 is faster than the sr71, never, never, never had the design to be faster, but it didnt need that, wasnt it reason, had missiles to down it and had speed to track it
It is true that SR-71 was faster than MiG-25 at high altitudes.
Max recorded speeds were 3,3 Mach for SR in record flight versus 3,2 Mach of Mig, recorded over Israel.
But the difference is very small. And it is only at very high altitudes. At low and medium altitudes, MiG is much,much faster.
This have to be taken into account also.
Regarding YF-12, it was slower that MiG-25 even at high altitudes.
In record flight, YF-12 managed only 3,13 Mach. With operational equipment, it certainly, has been even slower.
Various unofficial claims, which could not be confirmed, should not be taken seriously.
Look at 500 km closed circuit record. The MIG was, with 2980 km/h, much faster.
And 1000 km closed circuit was not attempted by YF-12 at all, because MIg-25 had reached 2920 km/h. All with payloads.
firebarThen by your definition, it’s also a multi-mission aircraft!
No. To be a multi mission aircraft, it has to be useful in ground attack roles, as well.
The F-14B and F-14D were operationally deployed and used bombs, LGBs, and I think even JDAMs over Afghanistan and Iraq.
Yes,yes, but it was more as service tests that true operational capabilities.
The F-14 was not designed to carry bombs.
It was inflexible interceptor and, because of that, could not have been easily adjusted to another roles.
The Mig-25 proved to be much useful machine, being able to carry bombs and antiradiation missiles in service, regularly. Not to speak of enormous technical difficulties regarding speed and service ceiling.
firebarHow could we not notice it? You’ve been repeating it for the last 20 pages!
But it is because many people tend to ignore such magnificent aeronautical achievement.
firebarWhat I can find is this:
http://records.fai.org/general_aviation/aircraft.asp?id=779
A serien SR-71 with 1T is 450km/h faster as a spezial E-226M at 1000km.
Not specialised E-266M but E-266, which is plain MiG-25.
By the way, did you notice that E-266 still holds speed record with 2 T payload over 1000 km closed course ?
And over 500 km closed circuit with 2 T payload.
Not to speak of max altitude records which were totaly out of the grasp of Blackbird.
One MiG-25 withstood an inadvertent 11.5 g (112.8 m/s²) pull
during low-altitude dogfight training, but the airframe had to be
written off due to deformation.
No, it was sent for reparation and it flew again.
But note that many fighters, like F-14, with service limit of 6,5 g , would have broken in the air, at such high g load, and could not survive at all.
As I said earlier, the MIG-25 had remarkable 1200 km/h IAS, later even 1300 km/h, and that is better than ordinary fighters like F-8 Crusader or Lightning F.6.
On the other hand, SR-71 had max IAS like ordinary airliners !!!
firebarThe development of the A-12 OXCART spyplane in the late 1950s created
another problem for aircraft and engine designers. The high speeds
reached by the A-12 would cause the skin of the aircraft to get hot.
Temperatures on the OXCART ranged from 462 to 1,050 degrees Fahrenheit
(239 to 566 degrees C).
Actualy, max recorded temperature was about 320 degrees C.
Another problem that the A-12 encountered was that the engine
exhaust was easily seen by radar. The engine designers added an
expensive chemical known as A-50, which contained cesium, to the fuel
for operational flights that reduced its ability to be detected by radar.
These, of course, are fairey tales. There are many such tales about Blackbird, simply because the aircraft was a long time shrouded in deep secrecy, and people invented strange stories about it.
Now, we have a true data about its systems and limitations.
Not a MiG-25 can carry 2T at 1000km at 2970km/h.
A E-266M with RB-F (2x15000kp) can do this.
The E-266M is more a MiG-31.!
Check better.
The E-266 is a civilian designation of MiG-25.
Just like E-76 is designation of MiG-21.
Regarding extraordinary record of MiG-25, 2980 km/h over 500 km closed circuit with 2 T payload, that is in turn, let me remind you that the best Blackbird record for same conditions, was 2720 km/h.
And it was E-266, not E-266M.
By the way, E-266M had nothing common with MiG-31, especially not the engines.
Check better.
firebarIt did in Iran. At any rate I was referring to the fact that it carried the TARPS pod, giving it a reconnaissance mission.
True, it was capable of tactical reconnaissance, but that was all.
It could not carry bombs because of theirs adverse effect on stability. In service, it was prohibited to hang bombs on F-14. In any version.
firebarThe MiG-25RB does NOT carry any ARMs. That’s the MiG-25BM. Ahyway, if carrying a few unguided bombs makes an aircraft multi-mission, then the F-14A, RF-4C, EF-111A, and P-3C are also all multimission aircraft.
Do you know that F-14A did not carry any bombs or antiradiation missiles, in service ?
That was also true for F-15A , F-15C and F-14D until late in service.
firebarI WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!.
For 10.000 USD you can fly in it to 90.000 ft.
It is not possible in any american aircraft.
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