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  • in reply to: USAF F-4E vs. RAF F-4M (Phantom FGR.2) #2609761
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    The Spey Phantoms are very good at low and medium levels. What they realy needed are wing slats.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2609973
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    Because of nose cut chines, YF-12 have CP moved aft, and so, it is more stable longitudinaly than SR-71. It has more trim drag.

    Also, because of radome, it has more drag to side force at most inconvenient place, at nose. That is why its directional stability deteriorated.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2610428
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    Longitudinal stability is an issue for ALL highspeed aircraft. How many of them have chines?

    Each design have its own, more or less successful, solutions.

    Because of very long aspect fuselage, Lockheed engineers opted for chines, which reduce side force ahead of center of gravity.
    Other designs, like XB-70, depend on half wing dropping, aft of center of gravity. Etc.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2610433
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    Explain SPECIFICALLY how the chines reduce sideforce.

    Simply. chines present less drag to side force than, say, circular shape, so, side force exert less aerodynamic force to fuselage. This means that moment of sideforce about center of gravity will be less.

    in reply to: USAF F-4E vs. RAF F-4M (Phantom FGR.2) #2610899
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    Spey Phantoms are better at lower levels and J-79 Phantoms at higher altitudes.

    The Drag story of Spey Phantoms is exaggerated. They have a little more drag but also much higher thrust (at low levels), which more than compensate this.

    in reply to: Phantastic Phantom??? #2610903
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    They Spey engined Phantoms have better performance at lower altitudes that J-79 Phantoms. Thay have better climb, acceleration etc, but only at lower levels.

    These engines are wider than J-79, that is true, but they are also much more powerful at low levels.

    The reason for Spey Phantoms less max speed is not that Spey engines do not fit well in Phantom,
    they fit well and its performances at low level are excellent.

    The problem with Spey is that it is relatively high by-pass ratio turbofan.
    That type of engine produces much less thrust at higher altitudes than turbojets.

    So, Spey Phantoms are faster at low level but slower at high altitudes.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2610927
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    The problem is that you think that aerodesign is to put stabilizators for everything,thats ridicoulus, why to put stabilizators when you can avoid those problems with a better nose design???, dont be ridicoulus.

    More stabilizators means more drag, and so, less speed.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2610930
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    That is why XB-70 needed to drop outer wing surfaces at high speeds. In such a way it greatly enhanced vertical surface aft of center of mass.

    Without that feature, XB-70 could not achieve speed above 2,5 Mach, because od directional instability.

    Longitudinal and directional stability are major problems for speeds above 2,5 Mach. Together with thermal problems, of course.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2610932
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    You’re merely restating what you and Over-G have said but you have not explained HOW the chines are suppose to “reduce the value of the side force”. I hope you’re not thinking something along the lines of “well you have that sharp edge so the air can’t push as hard” because it doesn’t work that way. So tell us, specifically HOW the chines reduce the sideforce.

    You have got the point. Chines reduce drag to side force ahead of center of mass.

    That is why YF-12 needed additional ventral fins aft of center of mass.
    Its radome created more drag (than chines) to side force, so it had to be countered with more aft fins.

    The long fuselages are more effected because of longer moment arm.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2611436
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    Explain how the chines effect directional stability.

    Directional stability is very much dependent of value of side force ahead of center of mass multiplied by arm length from center of mass to center of aerodynamic side force.

    Aircraft with great length, like Blackbirds, are especialy effected.

    Chines greatly reduce value of side force ahead of center of mass, so, directional stability is better.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2611756
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    Chines effect directional and longitudinal stability.

    Without them, trim drag would be too high.
    That is why YF-12 have more drag than others in the series, and less speed.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2612100
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    Those who think that Blackbird is a stealth aircraft simply do not know anything about stealth design. That is completely clear.

    Stealth design must have as smooth skin surface as possible.

    The Blackbird family, on the other hand, have corrugated wing skin, chord-wise, designed also to counter expansion at very high temperatures, just as why triangle elements have been added in wing leading edges.

    The aircraft design is a little more complex matter than it seems for those who are not familiar with it.

    For a Mach 3 aircraft, every effort must be made to solve temperature and stability problems. Talking about stealth in these aircraft is a sheer lunacy.

    Regarding a 1000 missiles fired on Blackbird family, who can prove it is certainly that number and not some other ? There is some people in this thread who talk as this number of missiles is surely confirmed. !! By who?

    It is completely understandable that many missiles have been fired on SR-71, because it is very visible on radars, but it is also sure that many missiles have been intentionaly fired outside envelope, simply to ward off the SR-71 as a potential intruder.
    So, do not be so exhilarating about a 1000 missiles story.

    The SR-71 must have certainly avoided known SAM-2 sites, after Oct,1967 incident.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2614579
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    The first use of RAM was in the NAZI’s Horten 229 when charcoal was placed in between the plywood layers. The plywood that formed the skin became a crude RAM.
    The US’ first use of RAM was in the early 1950s to cure multibounce on ELINT/SIGINT aircraft who were snooping on the Soviets. This usage was not for RCS purposes, but to improve performance of antennas used to collect intelligence.

    Yes, that is all true, but when talking about Mach 3, very high temperature RAMs, it is out of the question that it was ready for use in 60-s and 70-s.

    The first manned aircraft which entered inventory with reasonably developed RAMs is subsonic F-117.
    The B-1A would have used the RAMs, had it been developed enough for service use. And we are talking here of Mach 2 speeds.

    The B-1B used the RAMs in 80-s, but it is a transonic aircraft built for relatively low skin temperatures.

    Remember that british radar operaters detected SR-71 at over 400 km away coming to Farnborough airshaw a years ago. So, its RCS is surely very large.

    The same was certainly true for vietnamese radar operaters. They must have been detecting the Blackbird at very long ranges, also.

    So, it is not a surprise that one A-12 was almost shot down.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2615149
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    Triangular elements in leading edges, in Blackbird, are designed for structural integrity at high speed, high temperature conditions.

    Such triangular elements reduce expansion at high temperatures, which is very important for leading edges.

    in reply to: Blackbird vulnerability #2615169
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    There is no any RAM in Blackbird family. That is a myth.

    Any RAMs would burn up rapidly at Mach 3 speed, even steel and titanium alloys are there at the limits of their strengths.

    Can’t you people understand that.

    Why B-1A had no RAMs in 70-s. Only B-1B has got it in 80-es.

    Think about that.
    Before mid 80-s RAMs were undeveloped even for subsonic use, not to speak for Mach 3, 300 degrees C temperatures !!!

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