Very high AoA is achievable only at low speed! Most dogfiths recorded up to now (in jet era) took place between 0.6-1.2 M. At these speeds, you can’t perform cobras, bells, kulbits, etc.

At low and medium speeds actually.
In air combat simulations, almost every air battle, which starts at higher speeds, deteriorates to lower speeds.

That is the reason why, controllability at lower speeds is very important.

Also, that is why every modern fighter is better, in that respect, that fighter which it replaced.

But, Thrust to Weight ratio is very impotrant, to enable the fighter to accelerate fast to higher speeds again.

Kelly Johnson said that Blackbird was stealth aircraft with one of the lowest RCS in inventory, yet he said also that there had been a thousand of SAM launches against it.

That statements contradict each other.

If it has so low RCS, how it is so visible on radars, to provoke launch of so many radar guided missiles ?

It seems that Johnson”s statements are not entirely sincere and true.

He said about a thousand missiles, but keep in mind that he was designer of Blackbird.

Firebar, the F 22 can suatain 60 deg; it can too execute a 360 deg rotation. What I considered incorrect formulated was this:

I have a numerous literature about its behaveour at high AoA, but I did not find that it could do even 70 degrees.

The 360 degrees rotation about its lateral axis means that there is no limit in AoA. It is a full turn. Did you see SU-37 demonstration ?

From a flight control system standpoint, it is extraordinary.

Firebar i have resisted to this so far but now i feel that i have to call names..U come here making all sort of claims that things are in a particular way when everyon else sees them diffrently and then dont have the backup necc. to substantiate your claims..u have absolutely no eveidence to verify that the highers TRANSIENT (not sustained) AOA for the raptor is 60 degrees..and also that its max pitch rate is 40 degrees..almost everything u have presented has been swiftly rebutted by myself and a whole lot of other respectful members of this forum.

The F-22 is not in the same class as SU-27/30 in close combat.

For close combat, besides high T/W ratio, fighter must have excellent high AoA behaviour, low wing loading and high pitch rate to change flight path quickly.

Max pitch rates (degrees per sec.), and max AoA degrees:
-SU-27: 70, 120

-F-16: 20, 26

Source for above data: Aviaton week and space technology, 14.avg,1989, page 55

The F-22: “Max AoA up to 60 degrees”. -Globalsecurity.org

“The F-22 attained max AoA of 60 degrees and pitch rate greater than 40 degrees per second.”- http://www.defense-i.com (The F-22 pilot perspective).

The F-22 close combat capabilities are overrated for propaganda purposes.

Do not tell that above mentioned sources are not respectful.

And, remember that transient AoA is much greater than sustained one in any airplane.
So, tell me, if 60 degrees is sustained AoA of F-22, than what is its max transient AoA? It should be much greater. But there is no such data at all.

Can!t you understand that.

Compare these two flight control technologies, both with Thrust Vector Control:

-F-22 with 60 degrees angle of attack capability, and
-SU-30MKI with 360 degrees, unlimited angle of attack.

This represents two entirely different classes.