Although impressive, none of the mentioned figures is close to Mach 3.
That is because none of these trajectories were in streight line.
As you probably know, every a/c is faster in streight line than in closed circuit, because in turning flights there are added drag ( in the form of additional induced and parasite drag).
As you know, it is tracked over Israel at 3.2 Mach, in streight line.
Note how much the Mig-25 is faster than YF-12 in closed circuit of 500km and 1000 km.
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Bottom line up front- The Mig-25 does some things really well. It isn’t as good a spy plane as the SR-71, and it isn’t as good a fighter as F-14/15/etc…,
Looking for the SR-71 and the F-15 in one a/c would be too much, indeed.
But, what I am saying is that the Mig-25/31 is a/c design which is nearing that goal far more than anything else in the sky.
Combining these two requirements is almost impossible task, as americans found out during development of their projects.
Constantly comparing the Foxbat and Blackbird is
ridiculous from an engineering standpoint. Both
were designed to address totally different requirements
in two different countries. And as any aero engineer
knows, it is the requirements (and politics) which
determine the solution.
You are right to some degree but bear in mind that the americans spent enormous sums of tax paying money, trying to develop Mach 3 interceptor: XF-103, XF-108, YF-12.
Only years later, when technical difficulties emerged as too great, they cancelled these projects.
The point is that they did not manage to satisfy requirements.
Look at YF-12 alert time. Totaly unacceptable:
It is a big embarasment for USN that they didn’t manage to shoot down a single a/c in IRAQ with much publicised Phoenix.
The Migs were too fast and elusive, even for the latest F-14D/Phoenix combination.
Even Mi-8 helicopter was missed.
There were many targets, the Tomcats were shooting from the safe distances, the americans had 100:1 numerical superiority and total airspace domination, yet, the Phoenix did nothing.
That was the reason of Phoenixes premature retirement from service, in 2004.
It was found that it was totaly unuseful.
Because of that the Tomcat was retired prematurely also, in 2006, in spite of planned 2012.
Firebar,
It has nothing to do with anti-americanism. Gervasi had an issue with Reagan. He spun his book to make money off the back of those who hated Reagan with a passion.
I do not see, realy, how the statement of former inteligence officer, who certainly had access to inteligence data about overflights, can have anything to do with Reagan.
In its book he glorifies american weapons. Read the book.
The Indian article is written by a journalist Sandeep Dik****. It is his version of events.
What about Indian Air Force Vice Marshal ? He do not know what he is talking too?
http://www.hindu.com/2006/05/02/stories/2006050201992000.htm
These are Mig-25 records not beaten by west a/c:
-1967, speed over 1000 km closed circuit, with 2 tonnes payload, 2920 km/h.
-1967, speed over 500 km closed circuit, with 2t payload, 2982 km/h.
-1973, speed over 100 km closed circuit, no payload, 2605 km/h.
-1973, max altitude, with 2 t payload, 35230 m.
-1973, max altitude, no payload, 36240 m.
These are achieved with R-15B-300 engines.
In 1977 it achieved even more with R-15BF2 engines:
-Max altitude , with 2 t payload, 37080 m.
-Max altitude , no payload, 37650 m.
There are also time to climb records which still stands (to 25, 30 and 35 km).
Which other a/c can boast with such array of records?
The Mig-25 is unique in that respect too.
Everyone have to bear in mind that the MiG-25 is the only Mach 3 combat a/c.
The western nations failed in that field. The YF-12 was experimental a/c only, never destined to success, because of its sensitive propulsion system and weak airframe.
On the other hand, the Russians succeded to make Mach 3 multi role combat a/c, and not only that but to build it in great numbers, to sell it abroad and even to offer it for civilian flights !!!
To build such a/c it was necessary to satisfy many contradicting requirements:
1-propulsion system which can tolerate such extreme temperatures and at the same time not to be sensitive to intake airflow disturbances, permiting fighter maneuvers.
2- airframe which can endure such temperatures and also 11g overloads without breaking, and high dynamic pressures, permiting 1300 km/h sea level speed.
3-long range radar and electronics which can endure 300 degrees C temperatures. Not easy to do. The B-58 Hustler suffered radar failures at 130 degrees C.
4-underwing titanium plated long range missiles which can withstand such extreme enviroments.
5-and all this combined with ability to maneuver as normal figher a/c, rolls, loops,Immelmans, zoom climbs, split-S, fast dives, etc,etc,
These are, from engineering point of view, contradicting requirements almost impossible to satisfy.
Every aircraft designer knows that.
The fact is that the west failed and the Russians succeded to solve these engineering problems.
I am an aeronautical engineer.
If….you really have such a degree… and I doubt it, then I hope you never work on real aircraft projects.
I am sure that you are not aeronautical engineer, because obviously you know little about aircraft design.
You are not aware what problems have to be solved for Mach 3 a/c, much less for multi role Mach 3 a/c.
The engines, airframe, avionics, flight controls, weapons. All that requires totaly different solutions compared to 2 Mach class.
You are obviously not aware of that. Your comment is childish.
As others have pointed out, his book was a slam at Western defense policies,he clearly had/has a political motive.
And being a “former intelligence officer” doesn’t mean much.
Is that so? Than who knows better? The book certainly has no any political motive and is not anti american oriented at all.
Read the book and you will see.
You think that the Indian Air Force sources are also not true ?
http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/07/stories/2006040704221500.htm
However I would take the MiG-31 hands down as an inteceptor. It has the avionics and the legs to do justice to the role.
True, the MiG-31 is the best interceptor today. With combination of avionics, weapons and performances ( speed and service ceiling) it is unique interceptor. A bit slower than Mig-25 it is still far faster tha any west fighter.
But it is ony advanced variant of Mig-25.
The SR-71 could sustain it’s performance for such a significantly longer time than the MiG (which had dash but not not sustained Mach 3 performance ability).
Not so.
The Mig-25 can sustain max afterburner for 40 minutes.
The only reason why the SR-71 had more range is the fact that it carried much more fuel.
The A-12 is another matter. With much less fuel than SR-71, it had similar range to Mig-25.
That in and of itself made interception by air or ground assets that much more difficult.
It is much more difficult to shot down MiG-25 at high speed and altitudes, because of its relatively high maneuverability.
As a streight line a/c, the SR-71 is too predictable and have to rely on mission planning to avoid SAM sites.
It’s a bloody good aircraft 🙂
I prefer the MIG 29
The Mig-29 is the best in its class. That is a different story.
And yet a little old F-16 managed it.
You did not pay attention on what I said earlier.
The P-51 and Spits also managed to shot down Me-262.
A 40 minutes at max afterburner.
The high speed flight over Israel pretty much wrecked the engines and more then one was shot down by the F15/ Sparrow combination.
Fascinating aircraft but certainly not the supership your talking about firebar.
The OKB MIG chief designer, Belyakov, say that there was no problems whatsoever after flights at over Mach 3, and he knows that better.
He says that there was no need for inspection or overhauling, at all.
See also this:
It is totaly amazing that Mach 3 aircraft is offerd for civilians, with no flying experiences whatsoever, and so with standard fighter maneuvers included, as stated in the attachment.
This without any doubt and unambiguously shows ease of handling and safety with which the Mig-25 is doing that maneuvers. From engineering point of view, an incredible feat.
Every other Mach 3 class a/c are very sensitive machines, strictly intended for non maneuvering, high speed flights only, and as such, unimaginable for offer for civilians aboard.