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  • in reply to: The MiG-25 Unsurpassed interceptor #2484668
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    A key to its unsurpassed maneuverability at very high speeds and altitudes, not found in any west a/c:

    A transsonic compressor.

    in reply to: The MiG-25 Unsurpassed interceptor #2484677
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    in reply to: The MiG-25 Unsurpassed interceptor #2484681
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    The Mig-25 flew over many Nato countries.

    Source: Indian air Force

    http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/07/stor…0704221500.htm

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2484710
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    The point is that the Blackbird has been almost shot down over Vietnam in 1967 and americans could not dare gamble any more.
    It would be unacceptable to them to loose Blackbird over Vietnam.
    Because of that, the mission planning choose to avoid any dangerous zones any more.

    The SAM-2 is very nasty missile. It even managed to down american aircraft in Gulf war, in spite of the fact that it is stationary system !!!

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2484716
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    So what are the instantaneous, and sustained turn rates, roll rates, turn radius, etc… for the Mig 25? Just because it has a strong airframe, doesn’t mean that it’s nimble.

    It is not nimble, in the sense of Mig-23, of course. But in its design enviroment, at above 20 km altitudes , it is surprisingly nimble.
    There are reports of american pilots, which have opportunity to fly Mig-25, that it is extremely maneuverable at very high altitudes.
    In one report it is said that:
    “It has handling characteristics, at above 20 km, as if it has Reaction Control System.”

    A very maneuverable, indeed.

    At that heights, the SR-71 is so sensitive, by the nature of its propulsion system, that it has to fly streight line, only.

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486190
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    Neither the Blackbird nor the MiG-25 propulsion systems are useful at subsonic to transonic speeds and by that useless in a serious fighter role.

    That applies to Blackbirds propulsion system, as it used mixed compression which suffers from unstarts, by its nature.

    As for Mig-25, it is maneuverable at subsonic speeds also. You may note that it has variable geometry lower intake lip. It is used to control airstreem at lower speeds, at higher angle of attacks. It is very complex system used also to control intake airspeed at higher speeds.

    That was not found in any west fighter.

    It has special vanes which control airstreem in the middle of airduct, also not found in any west aircraft.

    Because of that, it do not suffer from unstarts.

    When you combine that with transsonic compresor, with no western equivalent (as has been noted in International Defense Review after Mig examination in Japan 1976), you will get the picture about Mig-25s propulsion system.

    It is one incredible solution. A propulsion system capable of Mach 3 and in the same time capable of all normal fighter maneuvers: loops, rolls,split-s, zoom climbs, etc.

    That is something not found in any western Mach 3 aircraft, whether in service or experimental.

    [/QUOTE]Since the 90s high resolution pics can be bought for the fraction of cost by a manned system.[/QUOTE]
    The satelites can not possibly replace tactical maned reconn a/c. They are too inflexible, can not be returned to the same spot fast, have no such short alert time, etc,etc.

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486231
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    They did. According to their test pilots. Do you know better than they?

    Yes, I know better, if they said that.

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486232
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    What? I thought the Blackbird has never been in combat?

    Its mission planing team did everything to avoid combat zones. That was one case when they made a mistake.

    The same thing refers to F-117 also.
    Its mission planning is the most important part its stealth capabilities.

    Read Aviation Week. It was shot down over Serbia when, by error, EA-6B Prowler has been too distant from attacking F-117, so that F-117 could not be covered by its ECM jamming capabilities. When it came too close to SAM-3 missile site, it was shot down without too much problems.

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486655
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    The reminder:

    -The Phoenixes are retired from service on 2004, a few years before F-14.

    It was because the missile showed itself as totaly unuseful.

    In Gulf wars it achieved nothing. Not one kill. It even missed Iraqi Mi-8 helicopter in 1991.!!!
    And all this in clear enviroment.

    Just imagine what would happen if Iraqis used ECM jamming.!!

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486659
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    For the benefit of the others. That has nothing to do with the engine, but with the inlet-system choosen. Fixed inlets, cone regulated inlets or a ramp-systems.

    It has to do with propulsion system, of which the engine is one part.

    You missed the point.
    The Blackbird and the XB-70 are the only a/c which used mixed compression propulsion systems.

    These systems have a great vice in the form of, so called inlet unstarts, when great loss of power occurs , when airflow is not ideal. In case of any slight airflow disturbance, an unstart can happen, with great loss of thrust.

    Mach 2 engines all use external compression, so there is no unstarts which can occur.

    Do you understand that?
    You said earlier that F-4 and F-8 also suffer from unstarts !!!

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486661
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    Lies. The SR-71A was used over Libya during ELDORADO CANYON, and was used extensively over Korea and Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

    It is used in wars, but not in combat. It is not combat a/c, as the Mig-25 is.
    The mission planning for SR-71 avoids any combat zones.

    Lies. The solitary fragment found was a piece of the missile body not a warhead fragment.

    It was a close call. A lucky escape for Blackbird. So, parts of missile body struct the Blackbird. Wow. Even higher accuracy is needed to achieve this.

    As it is known now, the A-12 never dared to overfly Vietnam again, and it is retired soon.
    And some sources say that it had higher performance than SR-71.

    Just imagine what could SAM-5 do to SR-71. It would be slaughter.
    But mission planning did its job for SR-71 well, to avoid such threats.

    Irrelevant. The sensor system did not need to drop to a lower altitude to function effectively.[/QUOTE]

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486666
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    The MIG-25 flew extensively at 25 km altitudes, over western countries also, during cold war.

    “The planes are known to have flown over China, Pakistan and other countries to take stock of their military preparations but returned undetected after conducting sorties at an altitude of 25 km. However, one flight over Pakistan in 1997 led to tensions with Islamabad claiming that the MiG-25 deliberately gave out its signature to underline the absence of a plane of similar capability with it.

    Called “Foxbat” in NATO parlance, they flew extensively over Western Bloc countries during the Cold War.”

    http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/07/stories/2006040704221500.htm

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486685
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    Indian Air Force statement:

    “The IAF’s decision to decommission the plane was taken four years ago as the Air Force faced immense difficulty in obtaining spares.

    It was a terrific plane… neither an aircraft nor a missile could chase,” Air Vice Marshal Sumit Mukurjhee said. The IAF had, in early 1981.”

    http://www.hindu.com/2006/05/02/stories/2006050201992000.htm

    There is no missile which could chase Mig-25. It is too fast and maneuverable.
    According to IAF.

    That is why all Phoenixes missed in Gulf war.

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486690
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    firebar, where did you get the 10 pheonix launches in Iraq? F-14’s only got two potential intercept opportunities that I can recall. And the Iran-Iraq conflict doesn’t seem to account for any launches of Pheonix against MiG-25’s. What is the source of your claim?

    Sure. Iranians had no serviceable Phoenixes.
    In the first Gulf war there was Phoenix shooting at Mig-25, but all in vane.

    http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7193&page=5

    in reply to: F-15, F-16, F-14, Su-27 and MiG-29 aerodynamics #2486692
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    http://www.vectorsite.net/avmig25_1.html

    The F-15 dropped by Mig-25.

    “Foxbat in foreign service”

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