Also potentially available for swapping are 9 incendiary containers, can be re-purposed for dropping candy bars from a Lancaster. Ailerons and containers can be professionally packed and sent, at cost of end user. Swapping for Mosquito parts.
Thanks for your comments, great stand pics and replies. Tankbarrell, fantastic ! Everybody needs a tank rollover stand in their workshop !
I surmise that these sales are Engine driven. What are the problems associated with maintaining Bristol poppet valve radials : lack of spare parts, certain parts that wear rapidly or a lack of North American engineering patience with engines that, in comparison to US radial engines of the same era, are spectacularly unsupported ?
It seems a shame that a well resourced institution, with a flying airframe philosophy, is letting go of unique aircraft that a realist would probably say will only go into static display moving forward.
The current trend is to build Walls, while I do remember Mr Reagan telling Mr Gorbachev to ‘tear down that Wall.’ Accordingly we have ripped down the fence dividing us from the next door nieghbours and are using the galvanised fence posts as spacers for the rings in the iUnderstand. A bit of work on the trusty lathe and the rings are starting to snap together. I really like laser cutting, it’s kind of like Lego for grown ups. There’s lots of steel in this prototype, a real Soviet piece of work, and I am starting to think that an aluminium version might make things easier for me once the arthritis kicks in. This is a stupidly expensive stand, lots of material, laser cutting, fitting and welding. It makes no sense unless it can be adapted to a wide range of work, and I am starting to think of inserting a bit of fuselage into it, just to see if that will be another viable use.
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My understanding, subject to illumination from more knowledgeable folk, is that a drawing with a mod listed in the title block would incorporate the mod within the new drawing. In other words, if you had an Issue 1 drawing, and Frank from the floor came back and told you that something within it was nonsense, and you modified the drawing accordingly, you would print an Issue 2 drawing, with a mod reference in the title block. The context of this is a drawing used for manufacture, not for subsequent maintenance, when Biggles would land and say that the wing tips had flutter, and the Service end user, in conjunction with the manufacturer would resolve a fix and document it in an Amendment Leaflet to a Vol II Maintenance AP.
I say this in context of digitising thousands of vintage AGS drawings ( http://www.silverbiplanes.com ) which were found in a stack, where earlier revisions were piled under later revisions. AGS are manufacturing drawings, sometimes revised up to 18 times. So the same AGS Issue 1 part for 1932 is not the same as the Issue 13 part for 1952. By comparing the 1932 with the 1952, you can see the modifications. No doubt there would be a separate manufacturing record detailing the nature and reasons for the mods. The point is that a 1952 AGS XXX may not be suitable for application within a 1932 design, unless the logic of the mod is understood. Upon this I anchor the contention that a drawing with mods in the title block incorporates all the latest revisions. It seems that the drawing office was kept busy re-drawing the same drawing over and over again, with changes. I cannot see it as being acceptable that an Issue 1 manufacturing drawing would be lazily issued onto the floor, with only a title block reference to a mod, with a requirement for a fitter to consult a second modification record to ensure that the part being made was correct. You can’t find too many Issue 1 drawings, because they went into the incinerator.
My interpretation of thousands of Hawker , deHavilland and Bristol manufacturing drawings is that a mod in a title block is incorporated within that drawing. It always pays to find the ‘latest’ drawing, as much as it pays to find an earlier drawing to unpick the logic. It’s not a single drawing that gives you what you need.
Recently I had to look at a humble shim for the DH Mosquito for which there was a UK drawing (1940), a Canadian drawing (1942) and an Australian drawing (1944) for the same part. By 1944 there are a lot of mods listed, and the same part is different to the 1940 version. Are you building a 1940 design or a 1944 design ? Will other 1940 parts match your 1944 shim ? How many folk died to show the 1940 version was no good ? Is the 1944 material different to the 1940 material ?
A further feature of Manufacturing drawings and documentation are Concessions, that is changes allowed on the shop floor by Works Inspection or AID.
I think you need five fingers to hold a beer :
1.Memoirs from designers, builders, operators, showing insight into design and build issues – eg the fatal flaws exposed in test flights.
2.As many original drawings/manufacturing documents/AP970 -design factors as possible, understanding that these are only part of the resolution of a puzzle.
3.Original parts as templates, understanding where they came from – is it a 1940 shim or a 1944 shim?
4.Materials knowledge – analysis of original parts, original material specs, context of use and modern substitutions.
5.Maintenance docs – for Service aircraft APs VolI-II/Amendment Leaflets
A lot of info to get a Bombay flying again, although I would prefer you did a Handley Page Heyford, Bob T !
Let’s concede that the best thing to come from this parts ID conference is the appearance of beer all round ! I will concede, between rounds, that the original part has a small dataplate with DHP stamped as a part number. I do not know where it comes from. Newfangled jet things are beyond me anyway. This is different to the use of the ‘DHP within a diamond’, as an Inspection stamp, which I would say, between slurps, is definitely Australian, at least for Mosquito, based on the given evidence. Pretzel, anyone?
DH Australia set up a separate facility for the manufacture of Hamilton Standard products under licence during WW2. Australian parts are identified by the Hamilton Standard part number preceded by an ‘A’. The inspection stamps on these parts use ‘DHA’ surrounded by a diamond shape, which supports the idea that the diamond shape was antipodean. The photos show Australian made CSUs and US made Merlin distribution valve with Australian inspection mark.
As per the original post I concur that the part is Vampire and I would be confident to bet a beer that it is an Australian manufactured part. Cutting it open should show a wad of chewing gum or old, failed betting slip stuffed in which should definitively confirm the fact. I do not think that it is strange to find Australian parts in a Rhodesian Vampire. I understand DH UK were prevented by the UK government from selling parts to the Smith government in Rhodesia, but that would not stop the receptionist at Hadfield redirecting a sales inquiry to Australia…I am never surprised by the capacity of the tobacco, liquor or arms industries to join willing sellers with willing buyers. As a further contribution I post the WID stamps from DH UK Inspection handbook from 1953, where the shapes denote progressive and final inspection. I do not know whether this scheme applied during WW2, but the logic supports the DHP diamond shape as a final inspection mark applied in Bankstown.
But, how can we definitivey say that the DHP stamp can only be an Australian production mark ? Going back to an original airframe logbook, under the WID (Works Inspection Directorate ) column for Bankstown, the DHP Inspection stamp appears, to corroborate the same style of stamp appearing on known Australian parts.
Then we go to what could only be Australian Mosquito parts, looking for a DHP inspection stamp. This is harder than I think, as I see lots of DHP stamps on various parts but no context to confirm that they are uniquely Australian. The assemblies in the photos, which can only be Australian, are a PR41 Console B and control column made by Phillips. There are plenty of inspection stamps over all these and other pieces, that are not DHP, but that illustrates how much sub contract manufacture was involved in the Mosquito program. But on these assemblies, the faint DHP stamp finally appears. Inside the Console B, to the right of the inked part number, and on the control column, where the finger is pointing. The same style of DHP inspection stamp appears on the label of a G6A Australian made instrument.
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Nicko, stirring the possum ! I grew to an understanding some time ago that DHP was an Australian production stamp, then you come along and force me to seek proof, when I could be enjoying myself scraping rust off parts ! So here it goes. These are all Mosquito parts, DH98. First, the correct corporate moniker, based on known Australian parts and documents. First, a dataplate from an Australian made undercarriage assembly, made by Wunderlich and a dataplate from an Australian made hydraulic ram, from James Kirby, all describing the entity as DE HAVILLAND PTY LTD. This concurs with an original Airframe certificate issued from Bankstown, as well as an Australian fuel tank panel.
So I concur that the Australian entity is DE HAVILLAND Proprietory Limited (shares held privately), not DE HAVILLAND Proprietory and the UK entity is DE HAVILLAND Company Limited (shares listed for public subscription).
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iUnderstand arrives as laser cut pieces. Lots of laser cutting of half inch plate, not cheap….
So here is the preliminary design. We have updated the Classic by introducing sprocketed wheels, 365 teeth for one degree indexing, to cope with many faceted diamonds. There is a damper and chock arrangement to manage rotation and protect against auto rotation. The stand can be picked up by a forklift. The stand expands and contracts laterally to setup any combination of engine mount dimension in the east-west plane. The ferris wheels are a large diameter, designed to fit the range of IC and jet engines on the floor of the Moorabbin Air Museum, to cater for ME-262, Boeing 747 and Hawker Demon. So we will go ahead and build one and see what happens. We call this stand the iUnderstand.