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  • in reply to: Mosquito throttle materials #846610
    powerandpassion
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    Close but no cigar !
    The prop speed handles are the yellow, rectangular ‘caterpillar’ pieces standing upright on the outer two arms and the throttle handles are the black lollipops on the inner two arms standing upright in this photo :

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    I am after a black lollipop and a yellow caterpillar (or original drawings of the same) to CAD up.
    The black lollipop closest to the pilot has a brown, inset push button which is the mystery push button I would love to find out about.

    in reply to: 1955 aviation incident (Revived thread – new info) #846624
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    This tragedy is powerful and I appreciate being able to read of it when is still so visceral and painful for those who were there or affected by it.
    It shows the extraordinary power of the internet and a forum such as this to make connections that no other media or method could, and help resolve important things.

    A historical case from Australia in 1936 bears a resemblance, in a civil court case for a military officer who struck spectators at an airshow, by allegedly attempting to impress with a prolonged, low takeoff :

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17347635

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11018942

    In this case the officer was tried for manslaughter but acquitted. A valid function of the justice system is giving victims the chance to express how they are affected by something, to have the system acknowledge an injustice, even if it cannot be ultimately proven.

    The coroner in this case…..no Quincy ME.

    in reply to: T50 & T2 Tube Association – To Arms! #846906
    powerandpassion
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    Does anybody know anything about the use of BS T78 or T79 tubes in current aerospace?

    BS T78 (1997) was amended in 2013 and is a current standard. The basic specification is a 2 1/2% Nickel-Chromium-Molybdenum steel tube of 1390 Mpa, which is a pretty close match in terms of chemistry and performance to prewar T2 at 1300 Mpa.

    This avenue might cover off DTD254 for Tempest and Typhoon as T79 (1997) has the same chemistry as T78, while rated at 1160Mpa.

    What helicopter-jet-missile-thing in 1997 to today needs high performance steel structural tube? It would be something like undercarriage, non weldable frame. Refueling probe? High strength steel structures subject to cyclical loadings. Helicopter blade roots?
    What are fast helicopter frames made out of today?
    Who supplies T78 and T79 today?
    Thank you, Ed

    in reply to: Mosquito throttle materials #846989
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    2) Top handles for prop speed control levers. These are missing and I am looking for one to pattern off.

    The bakelite radio world has a lot of information on replicating knobs, basically using a sound piece to make a casting mold, then using acrylic resin to liquid cast a copy. I would suspect that acrylic would be brittle, good for an old radio, but perhaps not for a flying control. In each casting step there is shrinkage, shrinkage in the mold, then shrinkage in copy, and this may add up to a 5% reduction in size of the copy, perhaps annoying.

    One good, practical suggestion is to machine the knobs out of aluminium and paint, certainly no strength issues. I was ready to run with this, when a quiet bell went off in the dim recesses, something about a prewar study on lightning strikes. Now what would happen if you had one hand on the metal control column, and one hand on a metal throttle control? The throttle was string wrapped, but there was enough bare metal in brake levers, and sweaty hands or leather are a good conductor. Rubber soled boots on the rudder pedals would probably isolate well. Certainly, between metal throttles and control column, your body might become a pathway in a lightning strike, or, less spectacular but annoying, static electricity. I know this sounds a bit ‘far out’ but losses of largely timber aircraft to lightening strikes in the prewar were a significant concern. This no longer mattered as much when stressed skin metal aircraft became the order of the day, which would allow lightning to easily travel through and out of an airframe, but deHavillands laid dozens of metres of copper strip through the timber Mosquito airframe only because of lightning strike. All Mosquito electrics were doubled up, in other words two cables were provided, one positive supply and one negative return, the copper strip was never a negative return. Only the Australian PR41 had heavy duty copper strip laid as a negative return, in addition to the strip for lightning strike. Things in the Mosquito were always deeply thought out, and lightning was a clear danger in a timber aircraft. I have to think the choice of bakelite throttle controls was purposeful, as bakelite has remarkable insulating properties, evidenced by its use in magneto distributor caps, where very high voltage was involved.

    So maybe we have to make new bakelite knobs. We do have access to a bakelite press. We do have bakelite powder. The job of CNC’g an aluminium knob would be no more expensive than CNC’g a metal bakelite press tool, which would allow a number of knobs to be pressed out to original specification. But we need the missing prop control knob to CAD up an accurate CNC file. Does anybody have one prop speed knob I can borrow for a week, please ?

    in reply to: Unknown Lever. #847001
    powerandpassion
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    Just to add a few sprinkles onto the cupcake :

    Below is a close up of the original photo which concurs with Bob’s ID :

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    This c0ckpit photo came with a group showing the radio appartus of Siskin J7001 :

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    The obverse shows the date to be 1927, not a bad year :

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]239595[/ATTACH]

    All this brought me to connect back to Air Board No.244 Rolls Royce Eagle and Falcon 1917, showing the fuel feed system, incorporating a wind driven air pump for pressurizing the fuel system, which would most logically link to a bowden cable brake labelled ‘petrol pump brake.’

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    In the RR Eagle, there was no mechanical fuel pump in 1917. Fuel was either delivered by gravity via an upper wing tank, like a Tiger Moth, or via a pressurized fuel tank, air pressure derived from an engine mounted air pump. If the tank became over pressurized, for example, when ascending to height, a relief valve in the tank could vent over pressure. But there was a problem. If you were descending, the engine was generally at lower RPM, and might not provide enough revolutions for the engine mounted air pressure pump to keep fuel up to the engine. In combat, where you might then be required to rapidly ascend, the engine might cut out. The solution was to provide a wind driven air pump, so as you dived, this would take over the task of pressurizing the fuel tank. Probably the only time you would want to brake this pump is if you were descending to land, otherwise you would leave it unbraked. The position of the lever in the Siskin suggests function in conjunction with the throttle. The Siskin had the AS Jaguar – I do not know if it had a mechanical petrol pump. I am not familiar with the Siskin fuel supply system, except that there were no upper wing petrol tanks.

    I still think these same levers were more commonly used on 20’s-30’s motorbikes to control magneto advance, as you see them around, but it is now obvious that they were used in aircraft. The Bristol Jupiter, used in the Wapiti and Bulldog, had manual magneto advance, but this was linked to the throttle lever, rather than a separate bowden control. Individually controlling magneto advance would otherwise be too busy. I guess on motorbikes you could do it with your thumb as you rolled the throttle.

    I am not sure if Bristol Fighters and other early RAAF or civilian aircraft had air pressurized fuel supply, but the inference is that any Falcon or Eagle powered aircraft had to have such a system, as there was no mechanical fuel pump in 1917. Why would RR not have a ‘normal’ engine driven fuel pump when they did have an equally heavy air pressure pump? Whatever the logic, the later Kestrel had a mechanical fuel pump.

    in reply to: Mosquito throttle materials #850529
    powerandpassion
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    Thank you ozjag & AndyY, followed the link to Frost and it looks like the stuff. They must have a clear coat too that the fairies spray on my face each night…
    I think we are getting as close to the divide as you can when she buys ‘anti ageing creme’- a waste of money- and you buy wrinkle finish – a sound, practical investment!

    in reply to: Unknown Lever. #850533
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    Magneto advance for motorbike maybe…

    in reply to: Gaps in our Aviation Research. #851220
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    Thank you

    I don’t get paid for my books.

    This is not money but I hope you can count it as your psychic income! Thank you for your books on the silver biplanes- they were the excellent introduction to the type for me and a good mix of data, history and photography that led me into deeper and more obscure research. I still lunge at your books from time to time as a picture tells a thousand words. If I ever get one in the air I will write “All Alex’s Fault” on the inside of an expensive English wheeled cowling, so you can look up and feel some paternity! Keep it up. Ed

    in reply to: Hawker Hart/Audax Question #853524
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    I wonder if it could be for towing targets Bob T.

    Yes, now that you look at it again target drogues were a contemporary technology, great idea BT. Seems quite logical, never seen a set up for drogues, they used Wapitis in the RAAF in the 1930’s for this.

    How would you come in to land with a drogue. Was there some jettison arrangement that dropped the drogue over the airfield before you came in to land ?

    in reply to: Hawker Hart/Audax Question #853550
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    Floaties

    Here are the systems for the Youngman and flotation bags from Hart AP 1932 :

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    [ATTACH=CONFIG]239363[/ATTACH]

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]239364[/ATTACH]

    Both flotation systems are contained within the wing and are actuated by thin cables that are accessible to the pilot via a handle under the centre section, where the hand grips are. Nothing seems to follow the path of ‘shepherds crook’ running down the side of the fuselage, so I can’t see this explaining it.

    Assuming the ‘crook’ is a sheath that may contain a cable, the only other non fanciful explanation might be for releasing the door on a stores container carried under the fuselage. I will have to chase up what information I have on this, but I understood these containers were generally attached to the bomb racks under the lower plane, actuated by the standard bomb cable release.

    in reply to: Dove 8 kickstarter Project #853569
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    I always enjoy the passion and effort you put into this, keep it up, pledge made, Ed.
    George Bernard Shaw : “All progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

    in reply to: Hawker Hart/Audax Question #854267
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    Don’t know for sure, but never noticed it before until you pointed it out !
    What an extraordinary excrescence!

    The only logical thing would be a Tarzan rope for support clambering in, especially to the gunners position with its raised rim, different to the later cut down Demon and Hind, that didn’t need such a leg over and had a good hand grip position on the crown of the former behind the pilot.

    The message pickup had a cable coming out of the underfairing like the later trailing aerial arrangement of WW2. Only the Audax was originally equipped with the message pickup, yet the excrescence was reportedly on the Hart too.
    It can’t possibly be some form of aerial.

    It looks like some adaptation put in that increased drag until the powers that be found out and told them to cut the nonsense out.
    Maybe there to assist in the development of methods for baling out of Hart biplanes. It would allow you to clamber out and stand on the wing before dropping off 1930’s style, maybe for an Air Pageant.

    in reply to: Gaps in our Aviation Research. #855404
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    I am always drawn to what I call the Hermit Crab Air Forces, eg the Indonesian airforce 1945-9, based on Japanese training and aircraft. Now that I think about it ‘A History of the Indonesian Air Force’, covering the shift through Japanese, United States and Soviet equipment, stories like the 1958 Colonel’s Revolt, when the US supplied, ex the Phillipines, B-25s flown by US citizens, shot down by Indonesian P-51 Mustangs. Later, Indonesian overflights of Australia by Soviet supplied bombers, lots of surprising and interesting information about a the little known airforce of the world’s fourth largest country by population. On that point, if only 0.05% of the reading public are into historic aviation, that’s 0.05% x 180 million = 900,000 print run. Have to be in Bahasa though !

    I also have kids that look at the window winder of a car and say ‘what’s that?’. The technical knowledge that is self evident to someone aged 40 and up is not self evident to someone aged 20 and under. I would like to see more meaty publications on restorations, that are like a cookbook, show you the ingredients, walk through the process, preserve the knowledge. This might be better as a DVD, with an old timer going through line boring a Merlin crankcase, setting up a retracting undercarriage or rebuilding a turn and slip gauge.

    Of course a book on British Strip Steel Construction 1925- 1935, lavishly illustrated, linked to appendices that are developed in more detail on the web. A kind of synthesis of book and internet, allowing you to read in front of the fire and then pick up the iPad if you want more detail. The web delivery also allows delivery of video and readers to feed back, interact with the author by asking supplementary questions, or even offering even more detail in the form of photos or information that can be added to keep the publication evolving. Bundle a subscription to the web content with the book price. Bring it all into the 21st century.

    in reply to: 1931 Air Annual of the British Empire Vol III #855559
    powerandpassion
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    Ooooohhh-ahhhh

    When the Royal Aero Club closed its London HQ sometime back in the early ’60s the Trophy was moved to the Science Museum, as Matty’s link shows.

    Thanks Matty, would make the visit to the Science Museum very worthwhile. I am trying to contact the Science Museum in respect of their Aeronautical Collection, thus described in their 1929 catalogue of the same name. There were samples of strip steel construction deposited with that august institution in 1929 which I am trying to chase up. It would be utterly obscure and perhaps never accessed since that time, I wonder if it was all thrown out. After two months, no reply to a politely crafted letter. Is there such a thing as an Aeronautical Collection? I guess it would be called Aerospace today and be on a thin budget, probably. Sir Frederick Handley-Page, Sir Roy Fedden, Sir Geoffrey deHavilland would all be hurumphing and rolling in their graves.

    Thank you Schneiderman, pm with details sent, Ed

    powerandpassion
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    [QUOTE=DavidIsby;2242194]
    Hinds saw extensive combat in the Safi revolt of 1944-49.

    Do you have any web links to this situation? I understand that during this period of Afghan history the largely Pashtun airforce may have been involved in dealing with various insurrections – from speaking to Afghani Hazara today there was a period of time that up to 30% of the Hazara population was eliminated in a fairly brutal sectarian conflict. I wonder if the last rounds loosed in anger from Afghan Hinds were in the strafing of villages?

    The period from 1944 – 49 seemed to be a convulsion across the globe as old and new paradigms of political authority sought to consolidate against internal opposition : The Greek Civil war, Partisan operations in Poland and the Baltic nations occupied by the Soviet Union, The Indonesian and North Vietnamese independence struggles against the Dutch and French, the birth of Israel. The march of one army into the Sudetenland sent out a ripple that worked its way around the globe for the next ten years.

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