I bet my hat that when operational , the F-35s will be hangar queens with an astronomical cost per hour of flight .
Note my words .Cheers .
I wouldn’t be too sure on that one considering they’ve already surpassed the 5000 flight hours mark some while ago and whilst i’ve heard the F-35 being called a lot of things i’ve never heard it being called a hanger queen. When they’re allowed to fly they seem to do so fairly frequently.
One more time , Israel breaks international Laws by bombing whoever they want , whenever they want .
Anyone could bomb Israel now .
Maybe I ‘m kidding , maybe :rolleyes:
Cheers .
Much like the 2nd Gulf War simply saying something is illegal doesn’t necessarily make it so. Nations have a legal right to protect themselves under international law and that is what Israel was doing in this case. Nothing illegal has taken place.
Anyone could bomb Syria right now.
Well thats a fine advertisment for the cutting edge Russian air defence technology that was supplied to Syria!
Some more on the strike that called Irans bluff –
‘Israeli warplanes carried out a strike deep inside Syrian territory on Wednesday, American officials reported, saying they believed the target was a convoy carrying sophisticated antiaircraft weaponry on the outskirts of Damascus that was intended for the Hezbollah Shiite militia in Lebanon. ‘
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/01/world/middleeast/syria-israel.html?ref=world&_r=0
They dont see any action thats for sure. Last time was the first gulf war 1991-92. But my understanding was equal to any western airforce
They were also in action during the second Gulf War. Wikipedia has some info on it but briefly —
‘During the war the squadron flew 350 combat missions (including 670 individual sorties) and dropped 122 laser-guided bombs. No. 75 Squadron did not suffer any casualties, and all 14 Hornets returned to Tindal on 14 May 2003’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F/A-18_Hornet_in_Australian_service
To fly low or not to fly low? Here is what Buster Glosson said on the issue
Q: What was your directive on low flying, what did you want to happen?
Glosson: Of all the things that occurred in the air war probably the most controversial one single factor that I’m most frequently asked about is low flying versus medium altitude versus high flying. The correct answer to `which is correct?’is that they all are. And it depends on the situation and the circumstances.
When you’re trying to get tactical surprise and you have a very significant Sam threat, early on in a conflict you may elect to want to fly at low altitude almost exclusively, which for.. to a large extent we did the first two or three days.
But then anyone that’s mindful of military history knows that eighty five to eighty seven percent of all the aviation losses, since the Wright Brothers started flying, has occurred as a result of Triple A. Triple A shoots you down basically below ten thousand feet so why would you fly in the envelope where eighty five to eighty seven percent of all the losses have taken place unless you had to.
The first three days of the air campaign we planned to primarily fly low. There were some exceptions to that but, by and large, the bulk of the flying was going to be done low. The reason for that is because of the tactical surprise you gain and the benefit you get from the SAMs that are the high altitude SAMs, like SA2s, SA3s and 4s and 5s.
But the risk you take is if you do that too long and then you start flying into the strength of a country’s capabilities, i.e. Iraq. Iraq’s primary capabilities were Triple A and shoulder held SAMs.
Now when we took the command and control system out then all of their Triple A and SAM.. shoulder held SAM units, were operating in an autonomous mode. So why then would we continue to fly into the one area that they had any significant capability of providing a threat to us, that would have been just absolutely criminal.
So we had planned all along after three days, or two or three days, that we were going to fly medium to high altitude so we’d stay out of there. And that’s exactly what we did. And all the things you read and all of the second guessing and all the speculation about we did it for some other reason is totally wrong. We planned it from the start that way and that’s the way we executed it.
He also goes on to talk about the dreaful RAF losses
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/oral/glosson/1.html
If the “fat, slow 5 gen” airplane you mention is the F 35, this one uses militarised commercial computing technology with GigaHertz clock speed processors (PowerPC). BTW, the same processors are used on the latter tranches of EF & Rafale.
But it uses computers and computers were invented decades ago!! They’re old technology!!!
(Just carrying on the tradition of knocking the F-35 for just about any reason, whether it’s valid or not)
There is no such thing as clearing out the AAA & SAM networks on the “1st day” and making it safe for the rest of the war, Package Q taught us that.
Hooray! Someone else who gets it!
The amount of times i’ve heard first day of war talk banded around (often from serving military personel) is truly frightening. If they do not yet understand that this is not how it works then there’s going to be some serious losses when the next major air campaign comes around.
F35 supporters getting nervous?
I wouldn’t say it’s the F-35 supporters who are the ones getting nervous but rather a certain journailist who felt the urgent need to write an attack on American Enterprise Institute. The bias is perfectly clear and presents itself before the author has even made it to the second paragraph. Add to this the fact the author doesn’t seem to understand, or simply doesn’t want to understand what was being said in the paper and you’ve got a ‘news’ piece that isn’t worth the (electronic) paper its written on.
The actual report though, well that was actually quite an interesting read.
A link to the report –
What is the status of this MADL? Does it actually exist in hardware form on the F-35 or is it merely a PowerPoint pipe dream?
They tracked it before it reached the coast (as the operator stated in a documentary) and they waited till it got close enough to be a pretty certain kill.
Two F117 where actually hit, one crashed and one was taken out of service after it returned.
This is a total of at least 4 LO or VLO targets if you count the predator as LO.
Since when were predator drones classed as low observable???
And you guys don’t think that the 1000+ combat missions the F-117 performed during its carreer don’t count for anything? One must remember that 117 was used against extremely heavily defended targets in and around Baghdad yet it suffered no losses and Baghdad was at the time one of the most heavily defended captital cities on Earth. All in all that’s quite a remarkable achievement. Efforts to to belittle its achievements by pointing out a single loss don’t really stand up to scrutiny, at least not to reasonable folk anyway.
An interview with Buster Glosson that’s well worth reading to get a grasp on just how important the F-117’s were.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/oral/glosson/1.html
nonsens. F-35 mission profile is Medium and hi-altitude CAS. End of story.
Down below, a few stray 7.62mm rounds in the fuselage and its “kiss your @ss goodbye”..
What about night strike as that woul greatly reduce the risk of being hit by small arms fire.
UAV will simply take over when stealth is vital
But people (not you personally) have been saying this for quite literally decades. I think for the time being we have to assume that we’re stuck with the F-35. Does the F-35’s low observable design not make it ideal for low level strike? The SAM threat is taken care or, or at least greatly reduced by terrain and intelligent flight planning and AWACS and enemy fighter have their sensor range greatly reduced by the F-35’s low observable design.
It seems the F-35 could make an ideal low level strike fighter if air forces chose to use it in that way.
French colonel: France better off alone in Mali
“In Afghanistan, you have some countries who really fight and others who do very little. For example, the German contingent and the Italian contingent don’t have a combat role. There are many countries who do not want to fight, so working in the coalition is very tough,” he noted.
And
The EU doesn’t know how to wage war. It’s not prepared to launch military operations of this type [Mali],” Goya said.
http://euobserver.com/defence/118858
This is very interesting and chimes with what many observing from the sidelines have said in that past.
The French are making use of RAF and USAF C-17’s to bring the hard needed material to Mali… now, I am wondering if the French will not look into buying a few C-17s for their own, as such opertions like Serval is showing that the lack of such strategic transport is a nightmare when you want to deploy troops and material fast!
I don’t see how they can’t be looking into getting some strategic transports as its clearly a a gaping hole in thier capability, one that effectively prevents them from operating on their own when undertaking adventures in foreign lands.
So, so far we’ve seen Big Blue came in all guns firing in the Rafale but he was swiftly forced to retreat after a couple of heavy weight posters launched their own electronic offensives that seemingly nullified the French ECM superiority.
But what about the F-35 in all this? We never did figure out if it’d be a more effective low level striker than the Rafale, Tornado or F-15. Will it have CCRP/CCIP and toss bomb modes. How would the ride feel like when cruising down on the deck, rough and nasty or smooth as silk? Would it be worth the USAF or other operators dedicating a couple of squadrons purely to perfom the low level strike role or would those in high places stamp all over that idea?
And whilst on the subject of the more specialised missions what about Recce? Could the F-35 make a superb Recce bird thank’s to its multitude of cuttting edge optical and electronic sensors?