Well, if they utilise low reflective, non-metallic engine sections/components for the back-end, ceramic RAM for the inside of the nozzles and spay-on RAM for the nozzle exterior- there shouldn’t be an issue, should there?
I would hope you are correct but if not then it looks like those who said it’ll have a similar RCS to a clean SH or Rafale were bang on. In other words it’s not really a stealth fighter if it sticks with those honking great things.
It becomes partly a matter of just how much of your taxes are you happy to see being spent of stocks of PGMs that end up never being used.
Well as i’ve payed no tax for the last 5 years they can spend away to their hearts content. Good post btw, very imformative! Thanks.
Fail post of the day? 🙂
Sorry I haven’t been following closely but are are you telling me those honking great things in the photo are TVC that they plan to use on ‘Stealth’ fighter???
Irbis laughs at your simplistic view.
Western AESA manufacturers are more than likely having a good chuckle at the bulky, heavy and oversized Irbis.
Not sure i understand your question, but the TVC nozzles on the T-50 is pretty much the same as on the Indian MKI. At least in the axis movment.
It will stay this way with new engine as well.
But the T-50 quite clearly has no TVC and never has. I think you meant to say the T-50 should eventually have TVC that operates on the same principle as the Indian MKI.
Since when is Taranis supersonic?
When someone hacks into it and it drops out the sky at a rapid rate?
In all seriousness though its a Wired article and they really aren’t very good at reporting on anything thesedays.
UK supersonic stealth drone preparing for test flight
Sorry, being “western” doesn’t make it magically better.
Actually when it comes to electronics and avionics you can pretty much guarantee ‘western’ kit will be superior. I understand that’s unpalatable to many on here but that’s life.
Do you have any sources which say anything more precise than “Less than a month into the 2011 Libya campaign, NATO came close to running out of PGMs, which are both advanced and expensive bombs”, or which back up their sweeping claims with hard data, attributable reports, or anything else which can be checked?
I’ve seen similar things said, but they’re impossible to reconcile with the official statements about numbers of weapons used, & numbers in stock. Given that irreconcilability, I prefer to rely on the statements made by the various governments. They stated numbers of weapons used, mostly broken down by type. Those numbers can be cross-checked against numbers bought, & numbers stated as used in other conflicts, e.g. Afghanistan. For Brimstone, for example, the total fired in anger to date is about 15% of the number bought.
It’s possible that some of the smaller air forces, e.g. that of Denmark, may have had shortages – but not NATO. France & the UK, which did the bulk of the bombing, were nowhere near to running out of anything except DMB, unless one assumes that both the UK & France have been lying for years about how many PGMs they’ve bought, or lied about how many they used.
It seems that whereas my opinion has been formed by hard numbers in official statements, yours has been formed by vague & unquantified claims made by journalists.
Sorry but i’ll take the many reports on the issue over your blind faith that nothing was wrong.
Thanks. I only have to wonder about sustained turn rate at supersonic speeds. Who needs that? I cannot really imagine why would anyone fly at say M1.5 and have to turn tightly at the same time. :confused:
A fighter that has excellent supersonic maneuvering capability (eg Typhoon or F-22) has a tremendous advantage when it comes to out maneuvering inbound BVR missile shots.
Edit – Have seen Tu22m’s reminder post and he’s right so last post on this from me.
Many other pilots were clearly impress with EF agility and Performance – including polish and greek F-16 pilots, who flow against germans EF, as well against USAF F-15C.
Indeed they were impressed, however, if we are to compare aircraft on equal terms then we have to ditch the testimony of test pilots employed by those who manufacture aircraft.
wikipedia states that T50 has empty weight of 18,500 kg (40,785 lb)
When did Wikipedia become a reliable source???
Craig Penrice – Eurofighter test pilot, who flow F-14, F-15, F-16, F/A-18, MiG-29 said that F-15 was a benchmark of a fighter aircraft, but EF exceeds the performance of all this aircrafts.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/flying-the-worlds-greatest-aircraft-james-bennett/1016912402
I would hope an aircraft that entered service decades later than the F-15 would be better than it!
On the other side of the coin one should be wary of taking Mr Penrice as the gospel word on this considering his employer*
* we have to apply the same standards to Mr Penrice that we do to other test pilots employed by aircraft manufacturers
The UK is a vital partner in the program providing a significant amount of technology to the program.
I don’t always agree with you but on this topic you are 100% bang on. I think few people realise just how big a contribution the UK industry an engineering personel have made to the F-35 program. We have had a massive influence on the F-35B design and without that involvement the B would probably have been dead in the water.
What’s the name of this “expert”. Obviously he has a rather obvious agenda; strangely, other compatriots of his have a more balanced view on the MiG-29, not to mention those who fly and trained in it against US types ( poles etc.). Chauvinism at it’s best.
The tone of the article is clearly not to your liking but how do you feel about the last paragraph? Is Lt. Col. Johann Köck, the former commander of a German MiG-29 squadron not qualified to speak on such matters in much the same way that you feel a USAF pilot with 2000hrs in the F-16 and 500 in the Mig-29 is not qualified to speak on the matter? How many hours do you have on either type and what makes you feel you’re in a better position to compare the two fighters?
I would also be very interested in reading his compatriots ‘more balanced’ comparisons assuming of course they are written by pilots or former pilots with flying hours on both types of aircraft. I have searched Google but to no avail, can you provide me with some sources?