those 3 frigates being built in St. Pete for India are still on schedule right?
Yes, the three frigates in Kaliningrad are on schedule:D
India got Trenton from the States. Guess what? There were casualties during first year it was operated by Indian Navy. I suppose the Russians were hired to maintain the ship. There couldn’t be another explanation.
India ordered subs from Germany. Later Germany was accused of selling the blueprints to South Africa.
India ordered subs from France. They are as delayed as any other Indian naval project.
Vikram is delayed, that’s a fact. I will wait for 5 days and then I’m going to ask Scooter where is the keel laying of IAC. Where is the ATV, Scooter? Where is at least Shivalik, if not her sisterships? Where is P15A?
May be start with settling domestic problems before blaming the cruel and unjust outer world?
Then it’s my mistake, I was under impression that they identified Vyuga-53 as SS-N-15 and both Vodopad and Veter as SS-N-16.
This is all giving me a headache.
What is the RPK-7 then? 650mm 120KM range sub launched SS-N-16?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-16
Is there is source that compiles all of this info?
I don’t see why a Typhoon wouldn’t have 650mm tubes anyway. The thing could have 20 of them.
Yes, RPK-7 is the “big brother” of RPK-6 and both have the Western designation of SS-N-16. A good example is the 9M96 and 9M96M SAM missiles, which share same guidance, warhead, layout and differ only in booster (thus the range).
Of course, it could have spacewise. Simply Soviet Union didn’t install it.
Вооружение состоит из шести 533-мм торпедных аппаратов с устройством быстрого заряжания, В качестве боеприпасов могут применяться практически все типы торпед и ракето-торпед данного калибра. Боекомплект состоит из более чем 20 торпед УСЭТ-80, ПЛУР 81Р, ПЛУР “Водопад” и ракето-торпед “Шквал”. Также ТА могут применяться для постановки мин.
http://www.submarine.id.ru/sub.php?941
This is to add to two sources Gollevainen mentioned. Both Deepstorm and Submarine sites are run by retired Northern Fleet submariners, one of them still lives in Severodvinsk. I have no reason to trust them less than Western analytics.
В.П. Кузин, В.И. Никольский “Военно-Морской Флот СССР 1945-1991” ИМО Санкт-Петербург 1996
This is Russian equivalent of Friedman’s Naval Institute guide, written by two senior officers of Central Navy Research institute. It says 6×533 for Pr.941. I can send you a PDF file of that book.
Another book by Vice-Adm. (Ret.) Burov, Director of the same institute in 1969-1983 “National naval shipbuilding in it’s third century” also credits Pr.941 with 533mm tubes only.
These sources are enough for me.
Where did you get the Sparrow name for RPK-7?
В декабре 1969 г. в ОКБ Минавиапрома “Новатор” под руководством главного конструктора Л. В. Люльева начались работы по созданию новых противолодочных ракетных комплексов второго поколения “Водопад” (калибр 533 мм) и “Ветер” (650 мм), предназначенных в первую очередь для оснащения перспективных АПЛ третьего поколения.
В отличие от своего предшественника, ПЛРК “Вьюга-53”, “Водопад” должен был комплектоваться как специальной боевой частью, так и самонаводящейся малогабаритной торпедой УМГТ-1 (разработчик – НПО “Уран”) с дальностью реагирования по акустическому каналу 1,5 км, дальностью хода до 8 км и максимальной скоростью 41 уз. Использование двух типов комплектации значительно расширяло диапазон применения оружия. По сравнению с комплексом “Вьюга-53” у “Водопада” резко возрастала максимальная глубина старта ракеты (до 150 м), увеличивался диапазон дальностей стрельбы (с глубин 20-50 м – 5 – 50 км, со 150 м – 5 – 35 км), существенно уменьшалось время предстартовой подготовки (10 с).
“Ветер”, имеющий в два раза большие, чем у “Водопада”, максимальные дальность и глубину старта, также мог комплектоваться как торпедой УМГТ, так и ядерной боевой частью.
Комплекс “Водопад” под индексом РПК-6 поступил на вооружение ВМФ в 1981 г. (им оснащались не только АПЛ, но и надводные корабли), а “Ветер” (РПК-7) – в 1984 г.
http://warships.ru/Russia/Fighting_Ships/APL_945/
As I said, RPK-7 is an overkill, no sonar was able to give targeting information for full range. It’s an overkill even more on a boomer.
My issue is that SS-N-16 is Western designation for both RPK-6 and RPK-7, causing some confusion as to which system is installed in which boat. Typhoon (Project 941 Akula) has NEVER had 650mm tubes, just 6×533, period.
Nicholas, the best of course would be in Russian, Kuzin&Nikolsky, for instance, or Shirokorad’s compendum.
In English currently the best I guess is Friedman’s latest edition of Naval Institute guide to world’s weapons systems.
Actually, there’s no confusion. While Project 671 and 705 subs had only 533mm tubes, Project 945 and 971 subs had a mix of 650 and 533. It was quite logical that Soviet next generation Subroc was created in two calibers – RPK-6 and RPK-7 respectively. Vodopad can be considered quite succesful and was installed on many subs and surface ships, Veter was a kind of overkill mainly due to inadequate targeting capabilities of sonars, even the best SU had – MGK500 Skat series were not able to provide targeting data at 100 km, also no inflight update was available, therefore Veter usually carried nuke to compensate targeting inaccuracy.
Delta 3&4 have only 4×533, Yankee and Delta 1&2 had also 2×400.
600m for Pr.971 is given as “never exceed”, operational depth is 480m, not that much difference with Seawolf, even if we believe Polmar’s numbers;)
What are you talking about?
What is the RPK-7 then? I wouldn’t call it a cruise missile, but it’s a torpedo or depth charge delivery vehicle.
And what are you talking about? Vodopad is RPK-6 and Veter is RPK-7. Both can mount UMGT-1 torp or nuke depth charge, but due to the fact that range of Veter is twice of Vodopad (75-100 km depending on launch depth) default WH for Veter was nuke. I don’t see such missile as a must for a boomer, rather on the contrary.
Austin, Typhoon (Pr.941 Akula) has 6x533mm, who told you about 650? None of Russian boomers have ever had 650mm.
Your discussion is quite pointless. Under Western designation SS-N-16 there are actually two complexes: Vodopad in 533mm (various torps) and Veter in 650mm (nuke depth charge). There are no cruise missiles which can be fired from 650mm tubes. As you can see, Borei has no justified need for 650mm tubes. Anyway, if it’s engaged in shoot-out, it’s lost the main quality – stealth, and will not be able to launch strategic missiles.
No, this is not related to any exercise, just bojevaya sluzhba (combat service);)
Volk in December 1995-February 1996 was on combat service in Med, after which boat’s Captain Burilichev received Hero of Russia. You can guess what he was doing there:D
“I wonder if the RuN admirals have even woken up to Netcentric Warfare thinking”
Don’t worry, they are not. Soviet Union was much closer to net-centric conccept than moder Russia
TEKHNIKA I VOORUZHENIYE – TEXT IN RUSSIAN NO. 5-6, MAY-JUNE 2000
That edition is really an interesting read, later many parts of it were included in many Russian books and references:D
Pity the oberg site did not translate full text, I’m too lazy to do that myself;)
Well, Austin, you got the first three right, of course. #4 is Borei and #5 is Jasen. You should keep in mind that the pic focuses on pressure hull forms, which are considerably close to the actual. The outer hull and sail are much more generalized just to help to identify the boats.
In Typhoon internals are quite far away from environment and dispersed between several pressure hulls. The same boat is reported to fire a full salvoe of RSM-52 missiles a year later, so no serious damage had occured on the previous mission.