Well I was talking about actual physical system fits.
Anyway the drawing process of 1153 may take awhile, its one huge ship and with the vague detail information its equally frustrating as it is demanding. But Golly wont give up that easy, I will complete it, even if its one line per day but it shall be done!!;)

You are a true artist!:diablo:

Yes, technically it should be possible. The available internal space in the superstructure will be somewhat less though, may be that’s the reason the design was changed. If You’ve seen the picture of Mars-Passat mockup, there’s hell-of-alot equipment inside.
BTW, Kortik was planned for 1144 as well, which entered service in 1980 with Kinzhal replaced by Osa and Kortik by AK-630.

There are no easy answers, Golly. Until there will be lucky guy with digital camera in Nevsky PKB museum, we will have no better photos.
As to the weapon suite, take notice that 1143.4 (Gorshkov) was layed down in 1978 instead of cancelled first 1153. Effectively this means that at least the later version of 1153 was meant to have Kinzhal and Kortik or to put it short – weapon suite of 1143.4. As for the the initial version of 1153, you said already, that Novorossiysk was designed with Kinzhal and Kortik as well, meaning that 1153 (started in 1973) was most probably from the beginning designed for the same armement. You can rule out Uragan though, as it’s area defence SAM (Russian term is SAM for collective defence) and therefore was not going to be installed on aircraft cruisers, because their collective defence function was performed by airwing.
Hope this helps.;)

There’s no reason to doubt that China has had suffcient access to this kind of equipment. 😉

They have to make for Victors being phased out. Also only roughly half of 945 and 971 are operational.

It could be polymer based, but most of it can be “blown in” (keyword here is project 01710 aka Makrel aka SS-553 – a nice side effect of tests which were initially focused on speed/power ratio increase). And some carbon-carbon would do the job as well (not externally though). From the pics I would opt for a polymer-based thin outer surface with sandwiched pseudo-carbon and internal injection grids.

The open part of test results of 01710 were in one of Typhoon mags, will have to refresh on the subject, but of course, it’s a possibility and may be one of the reasons for long build of 885 and 955 (besides lack of money).

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I’m sorry, but I’ve got the nagging feeling that the specs the Russians have given are bogus – but not the displacement. That’s why: the real dimensions of the boat are likely to remain classified for quite a time, and the given dimensions (170m-13,5-9) just don’t fit the announced displacement (14700/24000). The displacement is likely to be true as they had to prepare the dockside of the shipyard for it, and as the shipyard is half civilian it has transpired from different sources that it’s actually quite bigger than the 667. It actually must be bigger, as the missile containers are fully integrated (no “hunchback”) and, most of all, the Irtysh-Amphora is… quite big (not to say enormous). Take a look at the bow of the “Kazan” testbed (Akson-2), it’s just…monstrous.

And yes, some rumours circulate about the YD having 16 launchers after all…

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667BDRM: 167.4×11.7×8.8, D=11740-18200
955(as announced): 170×13.5×9, D=14700-24000
What’s so F… heavy in there? I’d say displacement should be 21000 at the most.
Kazan bow is 16m in diameter, if they try to fit that in YD, it should be called Tadpole-II. To say nothing about Yasen which is supposed to be slimer than Borei. So I guess a smaller or scaled down version of Irtish-Amfora is going in there.

Could it be possible that some kind of Composite metal would have been used , Like Tiles sandwitched between two layers of Steel , Or some multilayer material used which uses combination of Metal and special material which help in reducing/absorbing sound.

Also can some one confirm if Borei is a Double Hull or Single Hull sub, Besides what type and generation of reactor it uses a 4th Gen PWR or some Liquid metal reactor ?

Double hull, PWR