By the way, the drawing from Bharat Rakshak is seriously wrong on hangar dimensions it’s way too wide 26m instead of 22.5m. On the other hand, 2003 model of Vikram shows a parking position also in front of island.
The information I quoted comes from 2 Russian monographs on 1143.4. One – dedicated to 1143.2-1143.4 is by Vladimir Zablocky, Captain (Ret.), who as one of Navy representatives at ChSZ warf participated in construction of 1143.1-1143.4 cruisers, second, dedicated to 1143.4 only, is by Aleksandr Pavlov, author of “Russian Jane’s” almanachs on Soviet Navy. First was issued in 2004, second in 2000.
Also there’s an excellent book “Our Carriers” by Valery Babich, one of designers and “test-pilots” off 1143 series, employed at ChSZ since 1967, also involved in design and construction of NITKA training complex, who has spent around 5 years at sea on Soviet carriers (14 months on Kiev, 8 months on Minsk, 19 months on Novorosiysk and 19 months on Baku).
i was wondering if Gorskhov was relly an improvement over the vernrable old WW2 centar class carrier it was replaceing.
1. relieablity i know viraat R22 was one of the least relible moden carriers around 😉 and it is a much to the indian technishines whop have manged to keep such an old vessle in serives for so long it astoashing. will gorskhov be any more relible as it had been badly looked after in the bad old days of Sovite union and had being liking around for a long time befor the IN navy bought the ship
2. air group was there no way viraat could be rifted to take the MIG 29k as the carrier was CATOBAR orgionaly or an other carrier with a better reputaion i.e speed up ADS buy old harriers untill new ships and planes are redey. also gorskhov wasn’t a pure carrier it was a russian harrier carrier with a shed load of ASM and AAW wepons so even if it altered to be a pure carrier will still be the eqiverlent of a much small carrier. it won’t be puching its weight when it comes to combat ops.
pre refit its air wing was ment to be 12 yak 38 12 ka27 helixsA 2 Ka-31 RLD
while it air wing post refit as being preticted at only 16 mig 29k by BHARAT RAKSHAK. along with a helo complament. i know the mig 29 it vast impovemt over the harrier but is it worth taking so few of them of such a large vessel.
i.e on the same site it says the hermes could take 30 harries at the expence of most of the helo wing it tonnage is only Displacement: 23,900 tons standard and 28,700 tons full load. it is about half the weight of gorskhov and lacks the one of the most useful abilities simaltaious lanch and recovery i know it isn’t use very much if at all but it allows a much better safey at sea in condions such as unsheduled landings.pheew thats all i think of all possible problems with the buy im i compleatly wronge if so why sorry about the spelling it because im tired 😮
Gorshkov’s designed airwing was to include 36 aircraft: 14 Yak-41, 6 Yak-38M, 10 Ka-27PL, 2 Ka-27PS (SAR), 4 Ka-31 (AEW). On first sortie she carried 12 Yak-38M, 16 Ka-27PL, 2 Ka-25 PS and 2 Ka-25DC.
The hangar is 130×22.5×6.6 m and it’s armoured (don’t know if this feature will be retained on Vikram, but the hangar dimensions most likely will stay),
1500 tons of aviation fuel were carried, weapon storage was for 3 sorties.
It’s hard to say what the range of Vikram will be, as the initial boilers KN98/64 are changed to KVG-3 which are more economic. Gorshkov was able to store 8900 tons of fuel for boilers, having 4050 nm range at 30 knots (30.5 knots during test runs) and 6900 nm at 18.6 knots. The new boilers are multifuel, meaning that tanking system may be changed and replenishment at sea may be much easier.
Here are some numbers from Russian sources, regarding what aircraft can TO from Kuznecov’s ramp and at what weight:
Su-33:
TOW from 1st (bow) position, distance 105м – app. 30000kg (full internal fuel, 2 medium-range AAM, 2 short-range AAM), 2nd position, distance 195м – 32200kg (full internal fuel, 8 MR AAM, 4 SR AAM ), at 15 knots with no headwind.
Mig-29K:
18500 kg from 1st postion
22500 kg from 2nd position
Regarding AEW there is Yak-44. Full scale model was built and construction of flight test prototype was started when Ulyanovsk was cancelled. This can be regarded as a project only of course, but the documentation is still available as are the D-27 turbofans (flight tested extensively on An-70). This aircraft could be able to take off from Kuz 2nd position with NTOW of 26 tons
Galkin is from Liinahamari.
This one is Fedor Vidyaev.
You are right, there’s not much photos around.
Here You are. 😀
Project 310 “Dmitry Galkin”
Here it is 😉
To Brezhnev:
This is what is available on 22350 from open sources:
D(standard) – 4500 t
D(full) – 5200 t
L(waterline) – 124 m
L (max) – 132m
B – 16 m
4 M-70FRU gas turbines (14000 HP each) – producer – “Saturn”
Range – 4000 nm
Cost – 320-420 million USD
Weapons – 8 Onyx AShm, 1×1-130 A-192 main gun, 2 Palma CIWS, 2×4 Medvedka ASM.
Radars – Mineral, Puma, Furke
This is for You, Roel 😀 On 20380 of course is original Furke version (without E index which means export) which may have quite different characteristics
That’s not Shtil VLS, it’s Club-N VLS. Shtil launcher doesn’t have framing, missile launch tubes are suspended by upper rim in the same manner as in Fort-M rotary launcher.
And this is Huangpu. The same, can’t say when the picture was taken.
Hudong. Can’t say how old this pic is.
But, but ….
Rawl was operational already on other ships, and so was Barak. So the only real evaluation case would be Brahmos afaict. I could understand the hesitation to refit them completely, but then why spend any money on them at all?
Yes, I meant evaluation of Brahmos and especially VLS Brahmos. The reason to spend money on them? Constant and prolonged delays in building new ships. Russia will build 6 1135 for them at the same time India will finish 3 P-17.
So is Furke the radar designation?
I think landing on the helideck at full speed would be an interesting affair :p .
Yes, it’s radar designation. Not much more is known, mostly guesswork. :diablo:
So what sort of prognosis those hovercraft hulled combatant would have had? Would large oceangoing rubberboat really cope on whit the north atlantic where USSRs ASW forces would have been deployed or were those just fantasies :confused:
Sceg catamaran is no rubberboat :diablo: Seaworthiness of a double-hull ship shouldn’t be that bad. I guess the same story as with Boras applies – too expensive for mass production. The cost of this ship could be twice of that of Udaloy. The helideck arrangement is cool, nevertheless :rolleyes: