There’s a new book, 2006 edition, “Severnoye PKB – 60 let s flotom” (60 years with the Navy) which mentions these themes. Note, they are not Projects, meaning that Russians didn’t design the ships from Alpha to Omega. 😀

I repeat the question about the forth slava. Does China itents to buy it ? What is the present condition of the ship? any recent photo?

I don’t think China will ever buy it. The reason – what ASM will You put on it? Russia will not supply Bazalt or Vulcan because of international treaties on non-proliferation of medium range missiles.
The ship “Ukraina” (ex Adm. Lobov) is nearly 90% ready and I guess Russian Navy will take it. I’d like to have some info about bargaining between Russia and Ukraine on price. :diablo:

There are so many new systems on 052C that there are a lot of factors, not necessarily powertrain, which might have screwed up.
Russia has some not so recent and also quite fresh experience with CODOG arrangement on 1239, 1166, 1124. This experience no doubt was available to China.

Altough the gas turbines in 052B/C are improved ones (tough still ukrainian) compared to the 113, they are still underpowered and for example the ships top speed is only 29 knots.

So what? Are there any fast CVs to escort? What tactical advantages will appear if their top speed will be 32 knots instead of 29?

Sorry for my repeat but does any one have recent information about “admiral Lazarev” the second second “Kirov” ? She will be scrapped or modernized?

As she is in “reserve” for about 15 years and in nearly the same state as Kirov, most probably she will be scrapped. Too many systems to be replaced, to be viable. 🙁

Before all these fightings with sferrin, someone metioned about a project 1293 strike cruiser nuclear powered alternative to slava I think that this is what we talk about.

No, this is an early project version of Kirov (Project 1144) before introduction of Granit missiles.

Loosing rapidly speed = loosing energy = loosing the fight

Energy is Life 😀

So, You never brake during dogfight? Or never make turns? Never evade missiles? You depend solely on BWR and chaff/flares?

So I presume no pics of the 12930 studies have came out yet?

On another subject, I wish there’d be a list of the various Soviet 1980s ship projects that never left the drawing board (11780, 11990, 12930, 13040 etc.). Projects new to me seem to be popping up every now and then. So far I haven’t seen a(n even remotely) comprehensive project number listing.

Be patient. There were many projects which never went even to drawing board. Some of them which did were built as models, some were not. Most of these projects now are being revealed by design bureaus as their classified status is being removed. 😀 There is a just lately published book on 60th anniversary of Severnoje PKB design bureau, unfortunately, they are not talking much about never-been projects, there are books by Kuzin and Nikolsky and some others. To make such a list will take a lot of digging 😮