Just out of curiousity, what is the state of the Polish Navy. I remember the US sent them some Perry’s and I know the operated three/four Tarantul FAC’s and a Krivak (or an early Soviet frigate believe it was the “Warzawa”), are these ships still in good condition? I take it the Kilo’s are still in service and does anyone know if the Polish Osa’s were withdrawn?

Thanks in advance

Subs:
1 Kilo class, pr.877E “Orzel”
4 Kobben class (ex-Denmark) “Bielik”
Surface:
2 OHP frigates “Kazimierz Pulawski” and “Tadeusz Kosciuszko”
1 Pr.620 corvette “Kaszub”
4 Tarantul 1 class FAC “Gornik”
3 Pr.660 “Orkan” FAC
11 Pr.918M patrol crafts
5 Pr.767 medium landing ships “Krakow”

Well we dont know the stats of cancelled Grom , I am not sure if START has any details to provide , But I dont think the Dimension of Bulava and Grom would be much different , Or else they would have to redesign the whole launching complex/launcher on the sub.

Still even assuming the best case scenerio that Grom could carry 10 MIRV ( which i dont believe would have been the case ) , The sub carrying just 12 SLBM is still a far cry from what the Typhoon or Delta 4 could carry.

AFAIR, the missile was called Bark and it was direct derrivative of R-39 which was deployed on Typhoons and was weighing around 90 tons, so I have no reason to think it was having much less than 10 WH. Grom was the cancelled strategic cruise missile deployed on 1 Yankee-Sidecar.
Bulava is much smaller, I’d say in 40-50 ton weight bracket.

What is the source of the excellent line drawing?

This 😀
If You read in Russian I can give You a link to it.

Can anybody tell which one is this, I can’t see any pennant number. Possibly going for refit, that will also explain it’s quite worn state.

Stereguschy has started warf tests. The weapon suit may be changed – 8 Yakhonts instead of Uran and Kinzhal instead of Kortik.

Could You post that drawing, Austin? I remember that before ChinaDefense forum went down there was a comparative drawing of P15 and P15A from Chinese magazine showing 2×12 VLS Shtil on P15A.

No one has so far confirmed whatever on P-15A. By confirming do You mean posting copies of design bureau blueprints, Navy or government documents? There’s a model of P-15A at Bharak-Rakshak website first displayed in 2005 with VLS Shtil. This is as far any confirmation will go until the ships has been commissioned. Barak8 doesn’t exist in a form of combat ready complex, of course, if Indians are going to delay commissioning of the first P15A for several years, Barak8 may be available.

It will be interesting to match SOKS suite on Nerpa to Gepard :rolleyes: