Robert,
Thanks for the dates, saved me looking them up .
Just a point on markings. Some of the photographs I have seen of other squadrons show the red carried accross the tail rather than as a straight bar as on AF:U.
These are generally attributed to June-Aug 1940 i.e before 607 moved to Tangmere. Was this pretty standard as I do not think any of the few photographs that I have for that period for 607 squadron show the red across the fin
Sorry to confuse, I mean date for the photograph if it is at Bicester
Thanks for the comments Notheagle.
I know we have communicated on this and thought I would open it up to the Forum as I now have doubts about RCAF 321 being L1884.
I passed the photograph to Andy Saunders who has much knowledge of Tangmere and thinks it probably is Tangmere, I had not consdered that it may be Bicester and will have another look to see if it ties in with Bicester which would also give a confirmed date.
Any chance you could post the photo as I have seen one as part of an advert that has wrting above and below the logo annd what appears to be the white arc under it
Think this might be what you are after
L1884
Sorry to open an old thread bt thought this might be of interest.
It is taken at Tangmere in September 1940 and arrived with me via Canada.
The aircraft is most pobably L1884 serving with 607 Squadron.
This is suposed to be the aircraft that was 321 with the Canadians. Does this mean that the aircraft returned to there RAF serials when they came back to the UK.
Also the aircraft is noted as becoming the slip wing Hurricane. This confuses me as all the references refer to this as RCAF 321 and never by its RAF Serial.
Is it possible that L1884 was not RCAF 321 ?
Doe anyone have any confirmation that the serial tie up currently accepted is correct. Could RCAF 321 have actually been the pattern aircaft L1848 ?
There is a small bit in “The Secret Years – Flight Testing at Boscombe Down” by Tim Mason.
It states the following
The recorded purpose of the u-numbered Hillson Bi-mono was “Trials as a biplane and monoplane. It arrived in mid-Ocober 1941 powered by a de Havilland Gypsy Six, and was allotted away in mid-November. Any reports on this interesting aeroplane have not been found – but one anecdote suggests that it was, at least, interesting to fly. The pilot reported that the maximum level speed as a biplane was less than the stalling speed as a monoplane; in other words, jettisoning the top wing caused an immediate stall. The company pilot had earlier reported a gentle sink of a few hundred feet on jettisoning. The monoplane landing was described as like “a high Speed kangaroo”.
There are two photos, on P211, one in the air and one on the ground as a monoplane and one in the air as a biplane. The ground shot is on this thread but the aerial shot is not.
There are also the following reports in the national archive at Kew
AVIA 6/13723 Hillson bi-mono model: tests in RAE blower tunnel (1941)
AVIA 10/356 Slip-wing projects: design and development (1940)
AVIA 15/972 AIRCRAFT: Design and Development: General (Code 6/1): Slip wing; investigations at R.A.E. (1941)
AVIA 15/1579 BOMBS AND BOMBING: Trials and development (Code 12/2): Glider bomb, slip wing project; consideration and tests (1941-44)
There are also five pages in the Putnam Book on Boeing.
This gives the US Navy, New Zealand, RAF & Australian Serials for the PBY’s
The meteor T.7 in the photograph has an unofficial Canadian Maple Leaf Zap on the centre of the RAF Roundel. It was never on charge with the Canadian Air Force.
At the time 421 squadron were operating from Odiham.
Many Vampire Squadrons had a couple of two seat meteors before the T.11 bacame available.
The other Meteors were purely for winterisation trails works. One such aircraft was EE311 which was with the RCAF from 1945-46.
The Canadians bought Vampires rather than Meteors for their Air Force.
On the day he claimed a Spitfire over Detling
According to RAF Fighter Command claims the following were operational in the area
54 Squadron claimed Bf109’s over Chatham at 08:00
72 Squadron claimed Bf109’s over Chatham at 18:00
222 Squadron claimed Bf109’s over Maidstone at 17:45
616 Squadron claimed Bf109’s over Maidstone at 16:40
Maidstone is probably closer to Detling so my guess would be one of the later
I have looked in Fighter Comand Losses by Norman Franks and can not tie up any suitable Spitfire losses except 603 Squadron lost a Spitfire near Hawkinge to Fighters.
I am sure Tangmere1940 would probably know more
Does this mean Hendon will be following suit, as it is for the national aircraft collection, and both are part of the RAF Museum, I believe.
The Museum of Welsh Life, which also has free admission, has had parking charges almost fro when the government scrapped entrance charges to national museums. The charges are similar to Cosford and the carpark is usually full.
The squadron code letters would have been NV. The individual letter may be recorded in the pilots log book which may have gone to relative or appear in the ORB
The serial would have probably come from the squadron operational record book which is held in the National Archives at Kew and are on microfilm.
Failing that Tangmere1940 has been carrying out research for many years and may say he is an amateur in a world of professionals, I think he is as much of an amateur as Hercule Poirot the famous Belgian detective.
Sort of correct as 5 OTU became 55 OTU 1.11.40 but many ORB’s continued to refer toit as 5 OTU for much longer.
If necessary it would have become a fully fledged squadro as 555 Squadron
Now pretty sure it is P V Boot as now found more on P W O Mould as follows:-
Squadron Leader Peter William Olber MOULD DFC and Bar, 33414, flew a Hurricane off HMS Ark Royal 3rd April 1941 to increase the number of planes on Malta. On 12th May 1941 185 Squadron was established at Hal Far and he was made the Commanding Officer. He was piloting a Hurricane on 1st October 1941, when he was shot down by Italian fighters, and was killed. He was 24 years old and the C.O. of 185 Squadron. Remembered on the Commonwealth Air Forces Memorial at Floriana
Strange that there is no mention in the ORB of his leaving although it does mention the arrival of Flt Lt W.D. David from 152 Squadron on 24.03.41. So perhaps he was the replacement for Mould. Most other posting are mentioned.
Just shows house complex it is to track these pilots as I have used te following
55 OTU ORB
Aces High
Men of the Battle of Britain
The London Gazette
Then again with a bit more digging there was another instructor pilot P.V. Boot DFC who was involved in a landing accident in Master T8625 on 28.5.41.
However he is listed as a Pilot Officer. In wartime did the ranks progress from P/O to Flying Officer to Flt Lt or did they skip Flying Officer ? Is it likely that he would have been promoted to Flt Lt by August ? Aces High states he was promoted to Flt Lt in August 1941. His DFC was for shooting down six aircraft in the Battle of France.
The dates for the Flight Commanders are also from March 1941