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  • in reply to: General Discussion #241878
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    Could it be the debris from a failed backyard experiment? Someone playing at making a turbine or rocket and BANG! Bits get airbourne and come down a couple of streets away.

    in reply to: Part Drops off Big Plane #1805735
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    Could it be the debris from a failed backyard experiment? Someone playing at making a turbine or rocket and BANG! Bits get airbourne and come down a couple of streets away.

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    I’ve read this whole thread and it seems that to take the arguments to extremes there are two schools of thought. Recover if possible because any relic is better than none, and let it dissolve slowly. The option to leave it there “banked” and preserved by the sand is unrealistic, that is the dissolve slowly option. A recovery without years of backup in place to preserve the remains is an option to let it dissolve quickly. There are stations in between but the consensus seems to be that one way or another the aircraft is a total loss and will never be more than a “special” patch of sand. What a shame. rather two Allisons and a set of tyres than a short lived PH shift in the sand surely? OK it’s not “significant” and has no “story”, great! so let the souvenir hunters have her and don’t be a dog in the manger.

    in reply to: B52 image I hadn't seen before #893959
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    Here she is when I saw her in the Boneyard in 2008.

    That is one very wrinkled skin.

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    Has the name of Steven Spielberg been mentioned in any of this ?

    Or a certain Mr C.M.O.T Dibbler?

    in reply to: Hunter Crash at Shoreham (First AAIB report released) #901639
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    Yes.

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    Well that really surprises me! Must have been a short display.

    in reply to: Hunter Crash at Shoreham (First AAIB report released) #901656
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    I see even the revered Cpt Brown seems to have seen an attempt at a loop. Has anyone at any airshow ever seen an aircraft make a pass, pull into a loop outside the airfield then continue away? because that is what so many seem to feel this guy was attempting. The aircraft made a manuovre to reverse his course back over the airfield as is always, always expected is it not?

    in reply to: Hunter Crash at Shoreham (First AAIB report released) #902323
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    At least when and if the pilot recovers and recollects the details of what happened, we will know what happened and the speculation will be ended.

    I don’t think there has been too much speculation. What I am seeing is an inability to focus. remember when Micheal Ryan went crazy and shot up Hungerford with an AK 47 and the government response was a ban on penknives? This is the same sort of thing. the discussion is almost taking it as read that the aircraft was engaged in empire test pilots school at the very limits of control at huge and doubtless entertainingly thrilling risk like a circus without a safety net. The aircraft carried out a common easy manoeuvre that happens at just about every extremity of just about every display and followed a morning of pitts and extras really throwing shapes in the sky in true “stunt” flying. There is a risk of responding to events which have happened only in the popular imagination.

    in reply to: Hunter Crash at Shoreham (First AAIB report released) #902450
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    This was not a “tear ****” display, it just wasn’t. The aircraft flew past and repositioned to do the same again when it all went wrong. The vertical dimensions of the manoeuvre could have been almost any powerful aircraft, it could have been a spitfire or a P51 doing the same manoeuvre. In terms of the limits of the hunter as I have seen it before it was like a weightlifter putting a pound coin in his pocket. It was nothing, no close to limits ragged edge stuff, just a simple manoeuvre well. well within the capabilities of far less agile aircraft than a hunter. All the discussion runs off into the ramifications of things that happened only in the rabid “stunt flying ramshackle antiques” world of the press. Nothing in the flight path that seemed to be intended should have come close to challenging either aircraft or pilot.

    in reply to: Hunter Crash at Shoreham (First AAIB report released) #902659
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    This aircraft was not engaged in aerobatics per se. Any serious display manoeuvres will clearly be centred upon “crowd centre” and be aimed at displaying the aircraft to the display line. This was an aircraft having completed a flyby simply repositioning for another run. I can’t be the only person who has watched a display consisting of flybye… wingover…. flybye…. wingover and so on and on. in this case the pilot employed a vertical manoeuvre to return along the display line, looked like an Immelmann to me but it all went wrong. One thing that has occurred to me only this morning given the ghost of Farnborough 1952 is that it was a bit spooky seeing the still burning fireball overflown by of all things a DH110.

    in reply to: Hunter Crash at Shoreham (First AAIB report released) #904458
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    A good illustration of the unreliability of eye witness reports, as from the video, this is clearly not what happened. Looks more like a reverse Half Cuban gone wrong.

    I do not only acknowledge but indeed emphasise my own lack of confidence in my recollection of the incident. I have heard most eye witness accounts refer to failing to pull up from a loop, which would have put the wreck in open country to the north, and even one report stating it went in inverted. What is clear is that whatever the manoeuvre preceding it, the incident resulted in a failure to recover from a long and far from drastic descent.

    in reply to: Hunter Crash at Shoreham (First AAIB report released) #905164
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    I recognise that with so many experienced and proud pilots on the forum and speculation must appear distasteful. Please understand that for those of us who were there it was a traumatic experience and it is helpful to “Talk it out”. That doesn’t need to include speculation but I can think of no group that would be more understanding of the horror of the event.
    I have not speculated and will not. I have learned that eye witness testimony is of little value since so many accounts differ that I cannot trust my own observations. I have like most here spent a lot of time watching aircraft and seen hunters many, many times both in service and displayed. I always considered the hunter as one of the last dogfighters that manoeuvred by grapping the air as opposed to the high energy manoeuvres where thrust takes the place of aerodynamic agility. There will always be a lag at the bottom of a manoeuvre like this but that lag seemed to go on and on to impact. I really would have expected a healthy hunter to have leapt skywards long before. Sorry again if it seems morbid to re hash this but I cannot get this out of my mind, I could see it about to happen and almost feel in some stupid way that I should have said something to warn him!!!!!

    in reply to: Hunter Crash at Shoreham (First AAIB report released) #905524
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    Just got home from Shoreham where of course I witnessed this accident. The aircraft flew across the airfield northwards then performed a loop rolling off the top to begin a shallow descent back across the airfield. The loop was completed at a safe altitude and the aircraft was in a gentle descent. Upon pulling up the nose of the aircraft lifted satisfactorily but the aircraft continued to lose height rapidly, vanishing beyond trees in a nose up attitude. It appeared that when the pilot called for power he didn’t get it and once the aircraft lost speed there was no height left to point the nose down. It was clear to me that she was going in and must have been far more evident and urgent to the pilot. I believe he had time to eject and cannot understand why he did not do so. I believe the road casualties were mostly waiting to enter the show.

    in reply to: Red Cross, Red Crescent, Red Star of David #2191520
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    Looking at these images it occurs to me that the civil ambulance helicopters like those seen in the US, UK and Germany don’t carry red crosses.
    Odd. They usually have bright paint schemes and plenty of identification so everyone knows what they are, but they (and most ambulances here in the US…and I don’t recall seeing any in the UK, though I certainly could have missed one) don’t carry the international symbol of relief/medical transport.

    Also, anyone else find it a bit ironic that communist (and presumably atheist) countries also use the red cross?

    That is a rather strange thing, come to think of it. Also, Islamic countries use the red crescent, not the red cross. I have seen a few exceptions, though, like an Afghan Mi-8 that was marked with a red cross.

    It’s not odd for atheist countries to use the red cross. Two intersecting lines is not the copyright property of Christianity and the red cross is a secular symbol being an inversion of the Swiss flag and not a Christian symbol at all. Such assumptions are doubtless the reason why red crescent and star has arisen despite a perfectly good international symbol already existing. The red cross is the antithesis of a religious symbol, it is a symbol of humanity.

    in reply to: WORLD AIR FORCE ROUNDELS #2207096
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    Spitfire F Mk.22 gate guardian at New Sarum AB.
    It was later restored to flying conditions but, sadly, crashed the 23 march 1982 and was written off.

    I was at New Sarum in about ’83 and there was a vampire on guard then. The new Majority rule government of that great humanitarian Robert Mugabe had recently taken over and changed all the place names to “De colonialise” the map but seemed to miss new Sarum entirely.

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