I see a great many different designs of all kinds of ‘wings’ and other service badges sold as ‘sweetheart’ badges, given to dear-ones as keep-sakes by serving personnel, for sale particularly on eBay. Whilst interesting, I suspect that many of these are modern reproductions or even inventions and this is a specialist area where only the expert or experienced collector could provide authoritative comment. I speak from unfortunate experience when I bought a pair of RFC wings, the metal type I thought worn on the Service Dress tunic only to read later that the fixings or clips on the reverse identified it as a period item, but a post WW1 emblem found on memorial plaques or photograph frames, rather than an item worn on a uniform. I paid far too much for them. Caveat Emptor 🙂
Not saying that your item isn’t period or collectable, it looks very nice indeed, and hope you might get some more information about it.
Phil
Very good representation there, seemed like a fine service and tribute to him, and good report from ITVNews too. Well done and thank you Melvin.
PH
4. From what has been learned from the testimony Copping was a “hothead” and seems to have
been instructed to bring the plane to LG100 and never to return in the squadron!
This is one reason then the hardness and great risks they run in those days may have led Copping
to a “voluntary fate”.
dko
This is a revelation! We have all wondered long about why Sgt Copping flew his last flight as he did, and we are disinclined to speculate openly here, but may I please ask the source of your ‘testimony’, who said that Sgt Copping was a ‘hothead’ and more particularly that he was instructed ‘never to return to the squadron’?
If he broke an aeroplane I can well imagine him getting an admonishment, of the ‘get lost and don’t come back’ variety. I am sure you do not mean that he was actually formally ordered to fly away and ‘never to return to the squadron’? That might have been said, but certainly not meant literally and he would surely have known that.
‘Harsh discipline’ and harsh words are surely familiar to all in military service and no reason for a suicidal aerial frolic in a fit of bad temper. Going AWOL for a few days and getting laid and drunk would perhaps be a social norm.
His ‘atypical behaviour’ suggests that Sgt Copping may indeed have been in poor health due to the ‘hardness and great risk’ you rightly mention. Are you suggesting that his companion, (the ‘gregarious’ one you mention, Stocky?) may have actually been detailed by his squadron as a chaperone with a brief to ‘keep an eye’ on him?
Phil
Interesting, but if you will forgive an uninformed observation, it seems more like a vehicle (AFV?) casting than aviation related? I don’t know why I would suggest that, it’s just a ‘feeling’ and probably wrong, but it looks too ‘chunky’ for cockpit-ware.
All the best with it…
PH
Copping’s P-40 is unique because there is a level of tragedy connected to it. Nobody knows his motivations for flying into the desert. Suicide? Combat fatigue? Confusion? There is something to be remembered by leaving this plane as a display to mark the tragedy of war.
Spot on mate. What I wanted to say, but didn’t have the vocabulary.
Thank you for the update, always interesting and best wishes with the work.
A lovely end to the story.
Well said, Alan. I can hear a cheer going up in the great crew-room-in-the-sky as F/Sgt Stephenson checks in. Respects and thanks to him, and condolences to his family.
There isn’t really any story here ! The Shackleton at Manchester is the example least at risk – there is no probability of it being scrapped and if the worst that has happened to it is a layer of dust -well thats not really much to worry about!
David, you may be right in all you say, but we should not readily dismiss the original posters concerns:
“Looking at the conditions and the state of the hall’s exterior, one gets the impression that there is every intention to close it. So what happens to the Shackleton? Despite neglect, it is in great condition, having been indoors since retirement. Would the RAF take it to Cosford? But if they do, surely it would have to languish outside?”
A visitor taking away such a poor impression and obvious concern, should he speak out or stay silent? What have MOSI to say for the future care of the collection?
Phil
Anyone collect wheels, Junkers 90 wheel for sale
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Junkers-Ju-90-Grosraum-Schnellverkehrsflugzeug-Orginal-Spornrad-mit-Bild-dazu-/331484137721?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item4d2dfe88f9
I think that’s a Polo/Caddy wheel.
“Midshipman (A)(P) JOSEPHEDWARD RUSHTON RAINFORD (1937)
Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Rainford was born 2 March 1922 and entered the School from Calday Grange Grammar School
in January 1937 but left after only two terms, in Griffin’s House, to join the Merchant Navy. In
August 1940 he obtained a transfer to the Fleet Air Arm and qualified as a fighter pilot. In
November he was posted to H.M.S. Heron (R.N.A.S. Yeovilton) for duty with 760 Naval Air
Squadron and was Acting Adjutant of the Squadron at the time of his death. On 2 January 1941 he
was killed during a training exercise when Fairy Fulmar N 1959 of 807 Naval Air Squadron,
R.N.A.S. Yeovilton, collided with another aircraft.”
Found: Roll of Honour, Old Birkonian Society:
http://obs.org.uk/sites/default/files/content/core/memorials-ww2-roll_of_honour.pdf
Erm, yes, bit of a **** up on the intelligent posting front, apologies and I was not at all sure my post was a wise one from the get go. I didn’t wish to offend the current owner of the items or anybody else for that matter.
My original concern was for the efficacy of the items and whether the family had an adequate opportunity to re-acquire them if they wished.
I felt uncomfortable with them being offered for sale on eBay, but on reflection it seems clear that the eBay vendor has been in touch with the family and that they are aware of the pending sale.
I wasn’t actually aware that we could delete our posts, Matt, and in any case to do so would seem discourteous to those who had already replied.
I will attempt to engage brain before operating digits in future.
Phil
Yes, many thanks to techs and mods and all. “I freely admit the best of my fun – I owe to the Flypast Historic Forum” (with apologies to Whyte Melville ).
Phil
It has something of a Miles about it – a Speed 6 perhaps?
Whilst I wouldn’t argue with all said above, we know this series is made for ‘general consumption’ and not just the well informed, so please let’s not be too harsh despite its tendency to try to weave mystery where it never before existed. The presenter and the researchers have undoubtedly had to work hard and tread lightly to get this series financed and produced, and probably make many compromises along the way in order to get these sacrifices known.
Yesterday is probably becoming more popular with many in this media idiocracy who have become disenchanted with the tens of alternative ‘light entertainment’ channels available on Freeview, and a little doubt and intrigue where none actually exists, should surely be forgiven if it gets the story told.
Sorry if this seems a bit of a sermon, no condescension intended.
Phil
Another hero. One of the parachutes I watched as an 8 year old as he bailed out from his Hurricane over Elham in 1940.
Phew, PeterVerney, I caught myself thinking “I wish I’d been there to see that” – then thought, probably wrong sentiments, on a number of counts.
But, you certainly witnessed events that still leave us all in such awe of those times and those who lived through them, and those who died.
Phil