USN: Wanted advanced tomcat variants as NATF alternative, got F-18E
USAF: Wanted F-15D/E based wild weasel for F-4G replacement, got F-16CJ and HTS (3rd choice airframe, 3rd choice avionics)
Yet again, i don’t see any reasoning in fancy weaponry orders for Georgian Army. Even if they got F-22’s, the quantity they could operate plus the size of their country and the distances between airbases would render them useless. Half of them would be destroyed on the ground, other half wouldn’t even manage to take-off properly and they’d find themselves in WVR combat against Flankers or whatever, outgunning them XY:1.
The idea of fancy weaponry orders is popular because they serve as force multipliers… Unfortunately, unless fundamental problems with Georgia’s military are taken care of first, from the ground up, they would never be able to use them to their fullest potential and it’s likely that even with the new technology they would just end up in Russian hands.
Personally I think they could use an air force, albiet a simple one. F-16’s (if they can get them for near free) or even upgraded F-5s… of course they can’t go toe to toe with Russia and survive long, but that applies to, well, almost every country adjacent to Russia. Doesn’t mean they should just go ahead and disband their air forces too.
That being said, this is IMO a long term issue and there are far more important priorities in the short term, ie reconstruction, humanitarian relief, major reformations in training, leadership, and doctrine, etc.
Would two F404 (or RM12) be feasible for the Rafale? Would it have any advantages over the existing M-88?
Would anything more powerful fit (F414 maybe?)
So it’s all or nothing? Don’t even have an air force (or navy), just go with the army and a decent IADS?
Anyone know how much power the reactor in the little NR-1 research submarine produced? Would that be enough to produce oxygen and fresh water from seawater?
IOC F-15E: 1988
IOC Su-34: 2008Timewise like comparing the BF-109 versus the F-104.
Yes…. however the Su-34 first flew in 1990, and both aircraft trace their roots back to the 70’s.
Similar situation, navy replacing 7.62mm miniguns with twin M-240 mounts.
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2007smallarms/5_8_07/Ruehlin_Panel.pdf
Small Arms Small ArmsSurface Ship Upgrade/MK44 ReplacementSurface Ship Upgrade/MK44 Replacement
• Replace the MK44 mini-gun system with Twin M240 MG.
MK44 Mini Gun
• System provided as a rapid response measure after USS Cole incident• Fires 7.62mm at 3,000 rounds per minute
• Electrically driven w/six barrels• 80 systems currently in use by Fleet
• No spare parts support in place • Difficult and expensive to maintain aboard ship
• Requires ship alt to become a permanent emplacement• Acquisition cost $72,300 per system (2 per ship = $144,600)Twin M240 MG (Sufficient FY06 funding to procure 160 ship sets)
• Fires 7.62mm at 1500 to 1900 rounds per minute (combined)
• Can continue to fire if one gun fails• Any of the ship’s M240s can be used to replace failed gun
• Acquisition cost $22,652 per system (2 per ship = $45,304)• Procurement of 300 twin M240 w/mount will cost <$7.0M (150 ship sets)
• Twin M240 MG will be provided in lieu of t funding
From what I understand, short of open warfare, Phoenix (for the most part) wouldn’t get to stretch it’s legs anyway due to ROE. Not that it would be a great choice against fighter sized targets anyway…
AMRAAM and AIM-9X would have been welcome additions had they gone the distance
What engines did they check on the F-14 for fit?
Between the design of the F-14 (mid sixties) and modern supercruisy aircraft (end 80ies, early 90ies) something happenend
While the Superhornet integrates some modern lessons to achieve LO, the basic design still came from the late 60’s (still way before the 80’s/90’s mark). It ended up being way draggier than they would have liked…
Most F-14 proposals (including new-build aircraft) were avionics modernizations, with structural modifications only to the wing glove area (as well as modern flaps and spoilers) so the basic design, aerodynamically, isn’t that far off the mark.
I don’t doubt at all that the F-14 would have been the more expensive route. It’s simply in a different class. For it to last till the 2030’s and beyond like the Super Hornet is expected to, you’d need new build airframes (as opposed to refurbishment of aging aircraft) and totally revised avionics — it’d be basically a new aircraft that resembled the Tomcat (kind of like the SH compared to Hornet).
I don’t know how much it would cost. More expensive than SH for sure, but still way cheaper than NATF… and no doubt closer in capabilities. The money just wasn’t there.
Aerodynamic-wise the F-14 was not 21st century at all.
Compared to the F-18?
Initial design between the two wasn’t that far apart… the super hornet essentially scaled it up (and ran into aerodynamic problems of it’s own).
Just curious, would it be difficult to develop a 3P round for the 76mm?
How does the Spy-1F / Aegis system handle in cluttered littoral environments?
How does home on jam mode affect the time it takes to get a lock?
How does home on jam mode affect the time it takes to get a lock?