Which brings the thread back to one of my original points of starting the thread, in that Airbus and the C-295 lost in a direct competition to the C27J in Australia because it was so much smaller.
Does Airbus concede the C27J size lifter market to Lockheed/Alenia or consider an A200M alternative?
Is the market big enough for that size of lifter for 2 types to flourish?
I wasn’t really thinking of the caribou/buffalo, but something more of a C-160 Transall replacement, a wider and taller cargo box than the C-295 so not in direct competition, but something that would fit in terms of lift/cargo box size between the C-295 and the A400M
The A400M engines would be over powered, but that extra power, together with “barn door flaps” would give good short field performance.
So what is going to flypast?
85 in total…
9 x Typhoons (from NOTAM)
5x BBMF (Lanc, Hurri, 3x Spits from BBMF website)
9x Red Arrows (from NOTAM)
Now the guess work…
3? x Hawk (formation from NOTAM)
3? x Tucano lead by display Tucano which has E II R on underside (formation from NOTAM)
6x Tornado GR4 (1 each Squadron)
1x Chinook
2x Puma
2x Merlin (1x RAF 1x RN)
2x Lynx (1x AAC 1xRN)
2x Sea King SAR (1x RN 1x RAF)
1x VC10 (farewell flypast)
1X Tristar
1x Voyager (showing the future)
2x King Air
1x E3 Sentry
1x Sentinal
1x Herc
1x C17
There’s a rough guess at 53 of the aircraft.
The Griffin and Squirrel helicopters from Shawbury might add a bit of padding, and possibly 32 Sqn, but hard to see where they get another 30 RAF/RN/AAC aircraft from.
Could this be the new Comanche + Apache with some troop transport capability
Or just another JSF Helo?
Or an Osprey without the complexity of twisty engines, and driveshafts that cross folding wings.
Does the French E3-F not take either Drogue or Boom in the same way as the RAF E3-D can receive from either?
Oh and I agree that it’s a major oversight not to have atleast half of the MRTT’s with a Boom.
Further to my comments about East Fortune, I was down there at the weekend, with Monopod. The staff didn’t even raise an eyebrow when I held the pod high above my head to get some different angles… In fact some took interest to see how the shots turned out.
Funny this subject came up today, I photographed one just this morning at East Fortune, Not a flying example unfortunately….
G-AVPC
I’ve posted before that the C295MPA would be an ideal solution, together with a few standard cargo versions for loads that are already a waste of a Herc, and will be even worse inside a A400M.
Maybe if money allows, a couple of SpecFor versions with Refueling probe
As a bonus, it would also be a nice sized step in training up to the A400M.
East Fortune are delighted that you take a camera, no issues with a monopod either.
They have shuffled the aircraft around since my last visit (I’m going again in a few weeks time) but the aircraft layout when I was last there was more of a deterrent to using a tripod than anything else.
Last time I was there, their Jaguar was in one of the secondary hangers pointed into the corner, knowing that there was nose art & bomb markings on the left hand side, I asked the question as was allowed around the other side.
Do the French have…or will they have enough to loan/lease out to the UK?
As a layman, I see 3 issues against the NH 90
1/ It’s not as big as a Merlin,but is supposed to be used in a similar way to Merlins.
2/ It was launched into a class that was already well catered for, and didn’t offer anything “special”. In fact it was worse in some areas.
3/ Aircraft that it was intended as a replacement for are still in production or are out of production but have a an existing large scale pretty much of the shelf upgrade menu available to them
Such as Puma/Cougar from Eurocopter or 60 Black Hawk from Sikorsky.
Something AugustaWestland need to be aware of with the AW149.
The Tigre’s biggest downside is that it’s not an Apache … even if not intended to fulfill the same role, it’s perceived by those who look up and see a “wheeled” tandem with a gun under it’s chin, to be of the same purpose and as it’s not an Apache it’s not as good.
No BBMF at East Fortune
Dak and 2 Spits for Leuchars
Isn’t there (a) Qatar C17(s) that flies as a psuedo-Civilian, with the airline colours. The theory was that it would be used for humanitarian relief where a military cargo might not be accepted.
Edit…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mthird3rdaviation/5080733741/
Can’t see the tail codes, but from the look of things, that is the Comet 4C arriving at East Fortune’s Museum of Flight back in 1981.
The problem with an interim aircraft is that it goes against the current policy of reducing the UK airwings to a 2 Types (RAF with Typhoon and F35C and FAA with F35C), therefore reducing the support and Logistics tail.
In Interim aircraft means 3 types… Typhoon, F35C and SHornet/Rafale. OK so SHornet/Rafale would be replaced by F35C, but in infrastructure and logistics terms all three types would require support. That would be no better than Tornado Typhoon and Harrier as the 3 Jet types.
Would it not be a better idea to look at Typhoon with a buy of new build SHornet/Rafale with a view to bouncing them off Carriers for a good 15 years, with a longer term commitment to F35C at an Block3/Tranche3 type time frame where the airframe has matured and we are buying the aircraft at it’s best, rather than block1/tranch1, which if other new aircraft is anything to go by, will only has limited capabilities and weapons clearances.
This way, the infrastructure for F35 goes on hold for 10 years with current funding going to the infrastructure for the SHornet/Rafale. When it comes time for the F35 infrastructure to begin, it can be based on experience gained from the early block users, which in itself could save money in the future.
Over the period of the 15 years or so, the SHornet/Rafales will rotate through the RAF and FAA, to ensure that the level of carrier “wear and tear” is equal across the fleet. 15 years time I’m sure there will be a market looking for a relatively cheap relatively low wear (for a carrier type) aircraft that could operate from land quite happily for another 10 years or more.
As for which type, As much as I would like to say Rafale … if for no other reason than not needing US permission to sell on later. I suspect that the RAF would be happier with the SHornet, and ultimately so would the FAA.
But then perhaps I’m being overly simplistic.