Double Post
Pretty sparse static display as well – they can’t blame the weather on that!
That is only one section of the Static, there was other sections that ran parallel to the display line with fighters and civvies.
Shouldn’t there be 3 pairs of alert jets anyway?
F3s from Leuchars and Leeming and Typhoons from Conningsby? or have Leeming lost their F3s?
Does anyone have a link to the original KC-X, KC-Y and KC-Z proposals please
DIdn’t realise that this was only part one of two.
Now setting my own images in a separate thread.
Some might say pandering to Boeing by delaying the recompetition.
** steps back to watch the fireworks from a safe distance 😉 **
About the only opinion stated that can’t be argued with in that piece is the state of the USAF, and it’s decline over the years.
Numbers can be crunched in so many ways, and the results of that crunching can then be analysed in so many more ways.
The cost of the F35 has increased…these things happen when building a new state of the art aircraft. When it’s a jack-of-all-trades type, the development costs have to include ALL of those trades.
In counter arguement, how much would it cost to provide the Marines with a Harrier Replacement PLUS a”stealthy” aircraft for the Navy PLUS a “stealthy” F16 replacement for the USAF ?
Does anyone seriously think that the overall costs of developing 3 specifically tailored aircraft would work out less than the F35’s costs?
Or that neither of these 3 different programmes wouldn’t run into what are typical development delays.
The beauty of opinion pieces is that they can say “We think the F35 is crap because… ” without telling the reader what alternative and the costs of that alternative may actually be.
Personally I’ll reserve judgement and my opinion on the aircraft once it’s actually operation, and we can see what the aircraft can or can’t actually do.
A good place to start educating yourself.
http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA314032
A document from 1996..nothing more recent and relevant to the debate?
THough I did like this section…
Fighter Retrofits
If the population of probe-equipped fighters could be increased in the U.S.
inventory, the benefits of multipoint-refueling operations would more
likely be realized. However, the USAF F-16s and F-15s that are candidates
for retrofits with probes are already quite old and are scheduled to leave
the inventory within 10 to 15 years. By the time a retrofit program was
completed for almost 3,000 fighters, and over 500 KC-135s were outfitted
with drogue pods, the F-22 and JAST (Joint Advanced Strike Technology)
aircraft would be entering the inventory. Given this situation, a program
to retrofit large numbers of current U.S. fighters with probes is probably
inadvisable, but the apparent advantages of multipoint aerial refueling
indicate that the installation of probes on follow-on fighter aircraft should
be considered.
Which seems to suggest that F22 and F35s should have probes.
This has got my curiosity going…
Smaller than a Merlin but just about has the openings and ramps you mention…the NH90 TTH?
Image Source: First Image and Second Image
Perhaps if you have no luck a kindly Mod could shift this into the main section as it’s not really Naval Aviation?
Could it be the S 92 Superhawk that your thinking of?

With This Link to a larger image with a refueling probe (possibly a mock up)
Hmm, What they should’ve fitted to V bombers, but was decided to be too expensive.
I was just thinking that as the comment suggests that they are rearward facing
Really sorry to bring this back up! But there is a good reason for it (close it back down if it is inappropriate mods).
There was just an episode of Mythbusters on, on Discovery (5-6pm, 29th Aug 08), where they allowed a single seater, light aircraft to take off ON a large piece of material acting as a moving runway, that was pulled in the opposite direction of the plane as it took off – and matched the speed. The plane took off easily. Their conclusion that a plane cannot take off if on a moving runway……busted.
Sy 🙂
There was one problem with the Mythbusters episode…they gave no evidence of matching initial speed with the moving material.
The original puzzle was an aircraft at take off thrust releases its brakes as it starts to move the conveyer somehow matches that speed to counteract the impetous of the thrust through the airframe rotating the wheels.
This isn’t what the Mythbusters did.
What a surreal thread … Theres wandering off topic and there is wandering off topic but :confused: