[COLOR=”#FF0000″]I’d really like to see a comparison between the JF-17 vs F-16. :dev2:

Isnt the AA combat record for the F16 around 76-1 and the FA18 2-1? http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?180731-Modern-fighter-combat-records

The SH and Hornet are excellent missile haulers and versitile platforms, but they aren’t as optimised for the AA role as say the eurocanards (especially the latest versions) or the Flankers.

When will we see a F22 vs F35 topic? could be fun

F-22 vs. F-35 http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?80793-F-22-vs-F-35

(It’s not as fun as one might expect)

“If anyone tells you five out of eight is good, it’s not.”

I would say the pilot has made an impressive trial nevertheless.

IIRC the redesigned hook (without a new damper) got 5 out of 8 with the three misses being chalked up to misplaced hook (ie pilot error).

If you look at the geometry of the whole arrestor hook assembly it’s pretty clear why the result was 5/8. But on the other hand, there are 4.5th gen fighters operational today that can land autonomously so this should be a ‘non issue’. After all, the F35 is much more high tech than all the others in every aspect…

There is no question Su-35 is heavier than Su-27S, but the question is how much? Difference between F-16 blk30 and blk 50+ is 530 kg and between blk30 and 60 is 1410 kg including CFTs. Baseline Su-27 weigh 16380kg and roughly has similar equipment to blk30 F-16. Even if the weight increase is ~1410 kg it makes 17790 kg for Su-35 (16910 if weight increase is 530 kg). Considering the amount of lift Su-35 can produce, its a negligable difference in Wing loading, but there is a nice increase in T/W: 1.18 for Su-27, 1,28 for Su-35. (clean 4700kg fuel). Unlike F-16, Su-35 also recieved some weight reductions; Engines, Radar, fly-by-wire, nav computer, are all lighter. Airframe is redesigned and airbrake removed, so its possibly lighter. My estimate is Su-35’s empty weight is somewhere between 17 to 17,4 tons, however thats only an estimate, I have no sources to back it up.

I got it to minimum 16’600kg (assuming 8000kg worth of fuel as standard).

1/ What is the best method to detect target in general? Is it radar because I see the most important and most advertised sensor on fighter is its radar

Radar is typically the best, but IR is getting better and better and the RCS of the fighters keeps getting smaller and smaller so we will see how it looks in the future.

2/ Why there is no AA missile with both IR and radar homing. Different IR and radar versions on the same missiles exist but combo on one missile seems do not. Will IR sensor and radar block each other? If not, I think IR + radar combo will help to identify target between chaffs and flares and simply the logistics and mission choice, isn’t it?

Cost and space, but having IR + TV would be interesting since small full HD HDR cameras only take up a few millimeters.

3/ In according to chaff and flare, I think TV guided can distinguish them because there is no way to fake target in visible light with HDR camera, isn’t it true?

It would only work daytime, but for daytime engagements I thinks its a fantastic backup.

Erm, am I very confused or does the 117S not power the Su-35?

Which is not the same engine as the PAK-FA…?

I may have made a true rookie mistake.

I got confused that the 117S version came before 117 and that the 117S was used initially. :apologetic: (where is the shame smiley?)

@10,7 tonnes for Pak FA vs 11,5 tonnes for the F22 it’s a different thing. And after further enhancements of the F117 it’s not impossible that we actually might end up closer to mach 2.

Lift dependent drag is essentially a negligible part of the overall drag polar at Mach 2.

Sure.

But you see that the Pak FA has a lower thrust/weight ratio than the F22 in this area right? We are talking about a ~25% advantage for the F22 and yet ppl claim the Pak FA will supercruise much faster? I am a little bit skeptic.

I think the best is to wait and see for the absolute numbers. It’s likely that the final engine will produce more dry thrust and then we have a different situation where it is possible that the Pak Fa can supercruise faster than the F22. I just want to know the actual data, and i think i’ll hae to wait a couple of years.