Wait, what?
Many of the pods were delivered directly from the factory to Sigonella, requiring adjustments by technical support staff from SAAB that were deployed with the Swedish unit for that purpose during the operation.
How often does the manufacturer send technicians to the front line to integrate new systems into a fighter jet in the midst of an operation like that?
And talking about sensors…
reconnaissance pod with an electro – optical sensor in the visual range that took 24 Megapixel slides in a mosaic pattern… …The missions were flown at altitudes over 20,000 feet to stay well above ground-based air defense threats, such as anti – aircraft guns, small – arms fire, and manportable IR – guided missiles .
The “stripes” are in reality 24MP so the stripe in the middle (of the linked picture) should be a 15MP photo in real life (which equates to ~7750*1940px resolution or roughly 7 full HD frames put together.
http://blogg.forsvarsmakten.se/flygvapenbloggen/files/2011/05/zsu-23-44.jpg?w=1024
Intelligence pictures today are not what they where before..
That image of a dead F117 is painful. Other than the B2, how many other truly LO strike aircraft can the US deploy at the moment?
Predator C, F22? The F117 is in its shaping perfect, with new RAM material and composits it could probably still be useful.
The thing is that the clip is supposed to be from South Korea yesterday.
So if it is accurate then why is the F117 in S Korea when it’s not operational?
Or is it just some stock video clips from back in the days?
EDIT: As suspected. Thanks. How hard is it to actually film the B2?
Only time that changes are long wars against capable enemies; then the peace time bull**** isn’t affordable any more and pure efficiency counts (if the country isn’t totally rotten already).
Totally 100% true. And the Gripen uses the war time organisation in the package –> cheapest to operate in peace time due to the minimalistic logistical footprint. The chart showed that F16 actually is cheaper when only counting fuel so I think you are as correct as one can be.
I think North Korea are toast. They might survive the first attack but what can they do then?
If we look at supersonic fighters that are somewhat modern we have 40 in North Korea (MiG 29) and 229 in South Korea (60 F15K, 134 F16C blk 52, 35 F16C blk 32).
When it comes to legacy systems NK have 260-280 systems (MiG 21/J7, Su-7 (strike ac similar to MiG 21), MiG 23) while RoKAF have 238 (170 F5, 68 F4E).
So North Korea are technically inferior AND they dont have the numbers. And we havent even gone into the performance of the missiles, nonexistent jamming capabilities of the NK jets, the one sided AWACS-support and the fact that USN is supporting RoKAF.
Im sorry, but unless Kim Jong Un has acquired a taste for nation wide harikiri I dont think he will do anything. And we should also remember that South Korea have a pretty awesome air defence (SAM).
http://www.stratpost.com/gripen-operational-cost-lowest-of-all-western-fighters-janes

When it comes to salaries the cost won’t have a large effect in the end. For instance, if you need 10 maintenance hours per flight hour and one AF pays 40$ per hour and another pays 20$ per hour the difference in cost will be a staggering 200$ per hour. If you need 20 hours the difference becomes 400$ in a comparison where the lowest CPFH is 4’700 and the average is around 16’000$.
Its not statistically insignificant but it doesnt change the position of any jet in the chart.
Gripen “wins” a lot from being built with a defensive mindset. It is similar to the MiG 21 in that regard (but with easier maintenance even for the harder tasks like engine replacements). This is how a turnaround looks, its the Gripen A and the time of <10 minutes is probably for refueling and hanging 2 missiles on it, adding heavier and more missiles will probably take longer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49L9BlYQSjw
As pointed out by Obligatory, this is the most normalised comparison so far.
Has the Su-15 obtained a radar lock on the SR-71 btw? If not its pretty clear which is the more capable interceptor. But on the other hand… the MiG 25 is of the same era so its probably a much better interceptor. At least if we look at metrics. Are there any interceptors ever made that perform better in that role than MiG 25 and MiG 31?
And accusations flew about over those incidents until they pulled wreckage. It was a tense period.
I think the Viggen is amongst the “best” jets of that time. Maybe not the best interceptor but it was versitile, had enough power, good handling characteristics and sophisticated avionics for the time.
It was used for pretty much everything, mostly air intercept but also messing around with Soviet battleships (like producing sonic booms over them, doing low passes with full afterburner making a visit on the deck a pretty hot place to be). On one occasion it accidentally dropped 12 blind 125 kg bombs (250lbs concrete + steel) at 1000km/h a few meters from one Soviet ship.
Some pictures when its intercepting submarines, ships and lighthouses.

intercepting a lighthouse (dogfight practice)
And the “kill mark” on a Soviet ship after a Viggen crashed during an unsuccesful interception. Apparantly ships handle water better than supersonic jets…
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j1ml1fHnXhQ/S9tKLgtlO-I/AAAAAAAAAeA/ymOgA6CLbPs/s1600/viggen.jpg
All of them have been dead certs at one time or another, but am I wrong in thinking the C is not as maneuverable as the A?
According to LM its more maneuverable with higher sustained turn capabilities at low speeds but with lower maximum G-tolerance.
How capable was this aircraft compared to other 1970s vintage interceptor aircraft – Viggen?
Viggen was a pretty unique point defence and attack jet.
Metrics (source Wiki):
Maximum speed: Mach 2.1, 2,231 km/h vs Mach 2.1, 2,230 km/h
Range: 2,000 km internal fuel vs 1,380
Service ceiling: 18,000 m vs 18,100 m
Rate of climb: 203 m/s vs 228 m/s
Wing loading when loaded: 348 kg/m² or 370kg/m² vs 470kg/m²
Has succesfully obtained missile lock on SR-71 at a classified altitude. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?65940-Close-Encounters-With-the-SR-71-A-Viggen-Pilot-s-Story
The datalink was pretty cool on the Viggen as well with datafusion (where the leaders radar image and vectors where displayed on the wingmans radar screen, later 4 ac included with 2 leaders etc). This datalink was since developed further and incorporated in the Gripen.
Some incidents revolving Viggens and Flagons:
En sovjetisk Su-15 pilot försökte anfalla en svensk SH-37. Den svenska piloten undanmanövrerade dock genom att halvrolla ner mot vattnet. Detta är en typ av manöver som svenska piloter tränade mycket på och Viggen kunde med sina stora deltavingar göra mycket snäva halvrollar. När den sovjetiske piloten försökte att följa efter så träffade hans flygplan vattenytan och han omkom.
A soviet Su-15 Pilot tried to attack [mock attack] a Swedish SH-37. The Swedish pilot maneuvered by doing a half roll towards the water. This is a common maneuver that Swedish pilots practices a lot and Viggen with its large deltawings could do very tight half rolls. When the Soviet pilot attempted to follow his ac hit the ocean and he was killed
A similar incident happend 4 days later.
From my point of view, an optimum capability European force for a 50mil nation would consist of 18-24 ship-borne F-35Bs for first day attacks, force projection and special missions and 80-120 Typhoons or Rafales as daily workhorse (air policing, interceptions, general A-G work). Which is not that far off what we can observe in Italy, Spain or UK.
The work horse is preferrably a capable low cost platform (like Gripen E or F16V). Eurofighter T3, Rafale F3+, FA18E/F are in a different ballpark when costs are involved.
A sustainable capability is built from the ground up. For most countries getting the F35, despite the qualities in the ac, is unsustainable since they will have to sacrifice current capabilities and still struggle with the costs.
The potential edge one gets with the F35 can be acquired cheaper, new jets can be acquired without sacrificing capabilities. As we’ve seen you can get more jets (like the Rafale) at less than half the cost. This equates to ~180m $ or more per jet when counting the TCO (using your numbers).
It gets pretty clear that we now are in an era when cruise missiles can be seen a a low cost option. Every jet that gets taken out costs the enemy 220m$. Every airfield has over 12 jets (in the case of Norway it will be ~45 in one airfield and a few up north). This means that you can send cruise missiles, stealth drones etc worth 220*12m$ at minimum per enemy airbase or 2,6 billion $ if the damage is expected to be 12 F35. And due to the costs most F35s will be stationed in large bases.
(This means one can afford to waste over 1800 Tomahawks per airfield that holds 12 F35, or 7200 per normal airfield with 48 F35 jets… or use another missile like the Kh55-series, RBS15MK4 (coming in a couple of years) etc. If we divide the cruise missile numbers by 2 we include an additional air force that can be used once the F35s are gone)
The problem is that the distance between the hook and rear wheels is about half that on a standard FA18. This makes the landing much harder to perform. The hook itself has been working since day 1 (since the first one was a standard FA18 hook).
The only problemtic thing is how to make the whole assembly fit without messing up the stealth characteristics too much and without going over board with the space restrictions (that have very low tolerances).
The hook problem might need a lot of redesign but its an easy task when compared to the peeling of the coatings, cooling problems and cracks in the bulkheads + engine just to name a few. Here is he chart btw… again.
Sort of shows that the likely problem isnt the hook itself.
With twin pylons they could add more bombs or drop tanks without having less AA missile. I think it always is good to have that option.
Add
-Gripen A/B: I belive roughly 50 is available from Sweeden
The Gripen A is too tailored for Sweden, that’s why all exports are the C-version or later. So the C-version will be more likely.
And as always, politics are just as, or more, important.
not against IIR missiles like Aim-9x or EO missiles like Python 5 , and sure not against radar guide missiles like Meteor , Cuda , aim-120D
In WVR radar missiles aren’t used and CUDA doesn’t even exist…
very different , shtora jamming is stationary while the DIRCM on fighter use a turret, it also not cover 360 degree
not to mention anti tank use can use variety of guide even by wire
Shtora not affect IR , MMW guider
Shtora is fitted on the turret that turns toward the illuminator. So just as in the case of the F35 its a directional IR-system that is a soft kill system. Just compare the descriptions. So it is 360 degree + in IR…
Two electro-optical/infrared (IR) “dazzlers” interface station one each mounted to the left and right of the main gun, which includes an infrared jammer, modulator, and control panel.
A bank of forward firing grenade launchers or dischargers mounted on either side of the turret, which can fire grenades dispensing an aerosol smoke screen opaque to infrared light.
A laser warning system with precision and coarse heads.
Two infrared lights, one on each side of the main gun, continuously emit coded pulsed-infrared jamming when an incoming ATGM has been detected.
The AN/AAQ-24 system is a directional infrared countermeasure (DIRCM) system. It consists of a missile warning system (AN/AAR-54), an integration unit, a processor, and laser turrets (Small Laser Transmitter Assembly, SLTA). Early versions used an arc lamp to generate the jamming signal.
(Directed light is per definition laser btw)
You see the similarities?
IIR missiles can basically see the shape of target
EO , radar missiles not affected by flares from BOL ( chaff is quite useless now )
I can only tell what I’ve read. Jets equipped with BOL didn’t get hit in any trial.
not very high , just medium altitude is enough , and if you want to fly very low to use mountain as cover it affected both your cruise speed and missiles range too
Yes, but if the purpose is to get closer to the enemy it doesnt really matter. If you spot the enemy at 40km and your missile can reach them at 80 (while they can hit you at 90) it doesnt really change anything now, does it?
in WVR many vs many situation if you want to use gun then tactic is much more important than how agile the aircraft is ( hell cat vs Zero ) the point is F-16 have better sustain turn and T/W than Mig-29 but mig-29 with HMD and old R-73 ( have limited FoV , can be foil by flares ) did kill F-16 like they were WW2 plane
Tactics are to take the fight to where you have the advantage (be it high speed, horisontal agility, low speed handling, climb performance etc), but if you are in a jet that is inferior in every aspect of the flight envelope then you can only wish that its a rookie you are fighting.
What you are referring to is a capability that only one jet has, along with similar flight performance. http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=47529
In the WVR arena all modern jets have similar capabilities when it comes to off bore shoots thanks to IRST and HMDS.
not really depend what missiles do you use , and flying fast toward enemy also make their missiles easier to hit you ( that why supercruise benefit F-22 more than rafale , EF-2000 )
in WVR both aircraft will be in NEZ zone any way , and since they be in WVR dogfight both side will fly at mach 0.8-1.2 ( top speed and supercruise doesnot matter in WVR )
Have you heard about a thing called a U-turn?
What missiles were used? Were they the newer IIR based seekers like ASRAAM and 9X that see an actual image of the target (and therefore can differentiate between a plane and a flare) or older IR seekers that only see a hot spot?
Sources?
Dont remember, i read a report in october last year… only source I can find now is the one confirming that BOL made it through the trials.
http://www.aviationnews.eu/2012/06/08/successful-first-flight-for-bol-countermeasures-dispensing-system-on-f-18-in-finland/
But I have seen the numbers and there where zero hits after a lot of missiles that where pretty modern. IRIS-T was not one of the tested missiles as it wasn’t in use at the time.
Old flairs vs new missiles dont work very well, old missiles vs new flairs don’t work well either. Thats just how it goes.