With the new F117 Pak FA will be a beast.

2,5 tonnes more thrust (roughly 25kN) more than the AL 31 @145/147kN gives 170-172kN per engine!

Thrust/weight
Combat loaded: 1,32
With half load: 1,54

Thats pretty sick.

Assuming reason on a fighter aircraft forum, are you suicidal Tu?

Not particularly. My assumption is that the Canadian DoD and their auditors can do calculus and project costs fairly accurate.

The F35 has some strong points but price isnt one of them. And It isnt built to be cheap. If you want to make something at a low cost the general ways to do it is to use less expensive materials, try to go for a low weight and use as much “off the shelf” parts as possible as well as lowering the technical riscs of the program.

How much of that fits the F35 vs… say the FA18E? I know its been marketed differently but if someone says one thing and does something else it sort of gives away the fact that they are lying or simply not understanding what they say.

A proper comparison would require a complete analysis of costs done with the same assumptions, something that just isn’t available right now and might never be.

It is true that the F-35 is a heavier and more sophisticated aircraft, and that does correlate with higher costs, but at the same time the Rafale is a twin engined jet that will only be produced in small numbers compared to the F-35 program, which favors the F-35.

It will be some time before any real conclusions can be reached on exactly how they compare, but in all likelihood they will be similar and the F-35 may eventually come in significantly cheaper.

I trust that the Canadian DoD and their auditors sort of know what they are doing. All cost estimates so far are assumptions. For all systems. But we can wait 30 years into the future and then forecast what happens in the past.

SwAF and RCAF do their TCO calculations fairly similar.

KEPD 350 can’t attack moving target , not to mention you will not always have coordinate of all enemy SAM site , tank , ship by satellite , sometime you have to come close and find them by ESM , FLIR or radar so stealth + SDB II or brimstone is a better choice for SEAD , CAS with more flexibility , less mission planing

Its a play with numbers. But if you want it more you can change it for the AGM88E that is 1/3rd cheaper. With a 50/50 mix you get 50 KEPD and 75 AGM88E… PER JET!

And you still save millions of dollars per plane that could give you SHORAD for the airfields, more jets or stealth UCAVs. F35 has some qualities but one of them is not the cost. And thats in the end what matters, just look at the German Tiger tanks during WWII, exceptional in many ways but outproduced by the enemy and to complex for the environment and time.

bs level in that movie is over 9000!

Tu22m :

I know and far away from me the idea to bash the Gripen ‘s EW .
In AtoA , the Gripen is more than often underestimated .

Cheers .

I’ll send you a PM to keep it clean here. Lots of love etc

Tu22m :
It depends on the adverse radar ‘s capabilities Tu22m and you know it .

Please explain how you can match the exact lightwave phase in the cm band for two moving targets where neither of the objects speeds are known with enough precision.

As I said before, it MIGHT be possible in the HF-band, but never ever in the centimeter band. Its not enough to know exactly how and when the enemy will transmit how strong pulses and from what direction in order to make it work, you need to know their speed down to the 1/100’000th km/h. Thats more precise than the ac knows its own speed.

Says who ?

Cheers .

Look at the capabilities and compare. I only found one big difference. In the swiss evaluation where SAAB got a risc penalty the EWS39 was rated at 7,8-7,9 while the Spectra without risc penalty was rated at 8,3 (and EF2000 ~6,6).

So the differences are pretty slim and we will see what the next version really includes.

EDIT: Just to be clear… since its a very modular system there will be differences and in general the Spectra is far more capable, but the current EWS39 (if the customer wants the features) will be a very close contender.