Submarine aircraft carriers
Getting off topic, but a question to steveO….regarding the book A History of Aircraft Carrying Submarines by Terry C. Treadwell. What are the illustrations like in the book…especially 1960-2005 concepts??
Lockheed Martin recently investigated the launch of UACV’s from syubmarine silos…and there recovery, notmuch has been said about this. pics below of LM’s MPUAV concept.
Italian small carrier evolution
OK back to seeing some more pics-concepts of small carriers. A look at the evolution of Italian concepts – from the 1970’s through to 2000. first two are ealy concepts by Fincantieri both about 17000t and were called sea control ships, third is G.Garibaldi and fourth Andrea Doria class (that has changed its name to Cavour)
My chips are wet
Well Jonsey…thanks for pissing on the chips,
You make some valid points…and some obvious ones…thats why there are not too many small carriers around and no mini carriers yet. TLAM/Mk41 as an alternative for some contries such as Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia take things to a new level…could they be sold TLAM’s??.
Crossbow concept seems interesting and reflects more recent thinking out of america – stealth vessel with stealth UAV’s – pin point first strike capability against key assests. Its easy to nay say an idea, its something better to explore and test the possibilities and limits of a concept…war fighting is a thinking game. Its not the weapon itself but how it is used…and we can rely on human inventivness to come up with differrent applications and operational approaches. Anyway enough..
As for skyhook you do have to be careful that the images shown are not interpreted in the wrong way. I think as a recovery ‘method’ it was something worth investigating…not necessarily for application to frigates. Prehaps its best application would have been to vessels such as Moskova, Vittorio Veneto, Jeanne d’arc and some AOR’s. Just a couple of drawings of skyhook ships.
I suspect then that some reporters are not doing their job properly…go to the Royal New Zealand Navy web site below
http://www.navy.mil.nz/rnzn/article.cfm?article_id=1661&article_type=discuss
Austral carrier-concept
Austral also has a small carrier concept similar to Incats – see drawings below.
RNZN MRV is a Merwede Design
Ja Worsley Ahhh yes now I know the Enforce series, the Enforcer 8000 in a modified design is what the RNZN is buying as their Multirole Fleet Support vessel.
Sorry but the RNZN is not buying a Enforcer series ship….they are buying a ship being adapted from the RO-Pax ferry design the ‘Ben My Chree’ and is being built by Merwede shipbuilding of the Netherlands.
Enforcer series below and Merwede vessel bottom
kara CLG
Ok I’m going for an old girl too…I remeber when I was 10 and the Kara was the ship that I most wished the RN had….it seemed to bristle with missiles, guns and radars..on a sleek hull only 570ft in length. Its funny as the sports cars that still stop me in my tracks when I see them also date from when I was 10-13…
PZL Skorpion
Skorpion was an interesting project that evolved from a design more akin to the BAe SABA to a more serious battlefiled support aircraft. Below is the first idea for the Skorpion, below that is the last concept put forward by PZL as the Skorpion.
US Sea Control Ship 1970’s
Has any one any pics of the proposed Sea Control Ship proposed for the US Navy in the Mid-1970’s. I know that this design was used for the spanish P.de.Asturias…so please no pictures of this vessel (I Know it is a great match) Here is a drawing
HS Hawk V BAC P59
BAC P.59 proposal for a jet trainer in the early 70’s it lost out to the HS Hawk
Hawker Siddeley P1129
Submissions to OR.343 from Hawker Siddeley and BAC for a medium low level bomber….HS lost BAC with their TSR-2 won. HS P1129 was 22.6m in length and much smaller than the TSR-2’s 27.1m length.
Myasischev M-200
Myasischev-200? I’ve never heard of it, and I’ve tried to Google it without finding anything.
My mistake – aerospacetech has given you the correct name M-200 it was entred in the UTS competition. Being lazzy giving info is not usually forth coming from me…pictures say a thousand words. But M-200 some figures
Engines – 2 Ivchenko Progress/klimov/Sarkisov R-35M turbofans 3,748Ibf
Wing span 9.40m
Length 10.37m
Hieght 4.2m
Weight normal take-off 4,700kg
Speed 850km/h at sea level
Take off distance 200m
Landing distance 480m
Normal range 1,400km
Russian Trainer competition
Three losers, although MiG-AT may be according to some sources still in the running. Sukhoi S-54 top (evolved into S-55) Myasischev-200, MiG-AT and winner Yakolev Yak-130D
MiG V Sukhoi
Mikoyan put forward a heavy fighter against Sukhoi..Sukhoi won out….Sukhoi-27 resulted.
FSW experimental contenders
Rockwell and General Dynamics were both losers in cometition to be selected for the FSW prototype…won by Grumman and given the X29 number