Actually it turns out that the first Americans were actually a French tribe called the Solutreans.

Australia was setteld by a an earlier wave of people than of that currently living in China. They travelled along the Indian ocean rim.

Murderers, conquerors, whatever, life’s a bitch.

What’s the deal with all the angry Chinese, obviously suffering an inferiority complex that the race they happened to have been born into didn’t conquer the world. Comeon guys grow up, nobodys suggesting the Chinese didn’t make it because they weren’t racially capable, It was thousands of years of war, religion, geography, philosophy, arts etc etc That meant that Europeans happened to be the people that gained the capacity to dominate the world. Try looking at things objectively.

the Aboriginals of Australia show no known relations to any other racial groups based on DNA tests. of course, if one was to use “they’re from Africa theory” then so would Europeans and Asians 😉

There are a lot of those J-85 on offer in the second-hand world market. Drawn from retired examples and no shortage of spare-parts. The Iranians can assemble hundreds of those engines, if they didn’t so already.
Otherwise a secret lisence, expertise and machinery for AI-25TL or ZVL/DV-2 will do. I am just guessing or do you have more solid informations?

id post more on the engine but seems like A-C-I-G and Keypublishing are having a war with each other on such information, i’m still waiting for SOC to give the aok. :confused:

If speaking about fighter role, Jaktviggen wins here hands down.. There are not many weapons available for this bird but technologically it is the best one here.. Then comes ML, then F1, Phantom is last..

In A-G role, PII wins, all other hardly qualify since they only posses auxilliary A-G capabilities.

geez man, where is Phantom II when you need him? All these F-4 topics that cry for his attention. And most importantly.. this thread will be the LAST and probably the ONLY time where I defend the F-4 😀

because, quite frankly.. that thing is the fugliest thing America put up in the sky with the F label. :dev2:

Hamburger,

Is that hungrey jacks/burger king?.

Thats what burger king look like in oz. We got the meat pattie. raw onions, mayo, cheese but no lettuce? whats with the spinkle bum?

That looks like a ciabatta bun, and nope it’s McDonalds, you can see the golden arches on the french fry box.. h mm do they call French Fries as French Fries in France? :confused: 😀

to the guy who likes Fintelligens, have you ever been to a French McDonalds? they got stuff not in America, this one looks soo good

Without doubts the F-14A is the best Iranians have at the time.. And it will likely stay like this for another decade.. FC-1 is the only supplement I can see in the rather near future.. J-10s or Su-30s are highly questionable..

at least we can agree there 😀 I think the FC-1 is also questionable as they’re already made alot of progress in their indigenous light fighter project (that one that looks like a twin tailed F-5).. I don’t see them really needing two light fighters. But then again.. I don’t know why they opted for the J-7s either.
I think the JH-7 would be a welcome addition seeing as they have alot of maritime interests.

All flew in prototype form in the 1960s:

The MiG-23 on April 10 1967; the Mirage F1 on 23 December 1966 and the AJ-37 on 8 February 1967 so all are 1960s technologies despite the first F-4 flew on 27 May 1958 so in the 1970s all were operational and all ended production in the 1980s with the exception of the JA-37 ending in June 1990 one year after the Mirage F1.

1960s technologies is mostly third generation fighters and the J-8II is also a third generation fighter like the F-4 and JA-37 despite it flew for the first time on 12 June 1984

Check all were in production in the 1980s

yawn and bore, yea they all flew in the 60s, but only the F-4 was in mass operation during that decade :rolleyes:

In case of Arabs, we propaply have to ask why did the Mongols managed to invade them and ruin their culture. Didnt the same thing happened to Rome in europe, by barbarians? Did it prevent Europes rise to power? I think whit Arabs, the main proplem is geological, not sosial, as you see the answer to the proplem isent going to be onesided. More a sum of many faiforable elements. One key issue to any culture to rise is the conditions to agriculture and harvesting. In middle-east, thougth craddle of neolethic revolution, these conditions had long ago been spoiled and the heritage of that revolution spread to europe and thus uniting Middle east more to european hemisphere than asia. Some scientist are certain that China begun agriculture independently as well as some tripes in American soil. Thougth in only china and Middle-east/Europe, the conditions preferred its revolutionar increasing.
Key elemets to that are the ammount of natural plants aviable to cropping and domesticable animals. And the latter is directly relevant of previous human populations ways to hunt the big mamals to extinsion. Offcourse there were the population of different spieces of big mamals have been largest, the largest ammount of domesticated animals have remained thus giving Eurasian cultures a huge advantage compared to ones in America and Oseania.
But whit the effects of unification inside Chinise reing you become to close to the proplem, what differences china from european/middle east region in terms of power struggle. Could it simply be that after 15th century Chinese empire have become too united, too centrally controlled, too big athoritan rule whitout real neighbouring opponents? And when one man rules whitout any realistic ways to displace him from power, a slow degration of mental enthustiastism can crawl into ruling class mind so innovates become threats not prospects to win the rivaling prince like the case in europe.
So again I have to ask why this happen in China, but not in europe?

Your example for Rome can’t be applicable because it was so long ago and they had enough time to rise again. the Arabs went into decline and some would argue..still in decline/stagnation. and the Europeans rose not too long after.

I don’t know what kind of answer you want me to tell you.. I already told you the major ideas. China isolated it self because of domestic problems and budget problems and never developed any kind of economic philosophies like Europeans did during that time. Because of that, they never had the drive to search the world for resources, establish colonies, or implement industrial technology.. for the most part their own ways were already self sufficient. Even when their Dynasties were at their peak size.. the vast majority of Chinese people stayed in their usual areas, around the coast line and major rivers. All their (conquest areas) like the steppe lands, western deserts, Tibetan plateaus, etc.. were never really colonized, stripped of resources, etc the same way Europeans treated their conquered lands. The chinese usually left them alone, but collected taxes/tributes/military units/etc.