Originally posted by GarryB
“Which makes the MiG-29 a very usefull for the former Soviet Union. A good aircraft for their needs. Under under circumstances it is much more inferior to comparable western designs. ”
Ahhh, so it is the whole Soviet way of fighting that is inferior?
Strange. Could you explain how the west fights? do they just send up planes that fly around and use their big powerful radars to find targets themselves, and their super missiles to bring anything down that they aim at?
GCI certainly worked for Britain during the Battle of Britain, but modern western pilots are so super trained they don’t need any support from anyone and can work alone without any support.
Apart from the more agressive model that allows it to go to foreign countries based on airborne assets like AWACS and Hawkeyes and JSTARS etc they are almost identicle. The difference is that the Soviet system was purely defencive and included an entire layered SAM network to defend right up to and including from ICBMs around Moscow.
The Mig-29 early models don’t fit the western model any better than the rediculously expensive Hornets fit the Soviet model. Why do you think that makes the Hornet the better aircraft? The irony is that the Hornet is a multirole aircraft… multirole aircraft are supposed to be cheaper… the hornet isn’t.
“I thought we were discussin the A modell, and being the export variant does not mean they carry less fuel. And the engines were derated yes. Well somehow an engine barely achieving 300 hours before overhaul was not quite efficent to operate in 1991. 9”
The A model migs the Germans operate are called B model export versions of the A model that was used by the Soviets. During those 300 hours they need very little attention at all. The Mig-29 was designed for war, not peace time. While your Hornets are getting a little maintainence the Migs will be in the air. One of the first upgrades the S model upgrade included the capability to carry the R-77… the fact that they decided not to use the R-77 and wait for the R-77M is not important… they could certainly make them if they needed them.
“I think we all know that the early RD-33s were crap. That’s a given. “
They were designed for war… how often have we seen western planes do tailslides? Handling a reverse airflow is not easy and not just any engine can handle that.
“I just put a picture of the only Gary i know”
Haven’t you ever heard of Garry Shandling, or that guy named gary on “WKRP in Cincinatti”. Even Spongebob squarepants’s snail Gary. Do you live in a cave?
“Phazotron confirmed Zhuk-M exports to an unspecified customer.”
The Zhuk-M is used in the Mig-29K2 that you are buying for your new carrier.
Give it up Garry, you are taking this discussion outside of MiG-29SMT vs F-18C, i want to talk about capabilities, not history, air combat models, etc, you’re just putting these variables in to make the MiG-29 more favorable, and i’m talking about the SMT, not the A, B or whatevers.
As for Garryshandling or Spongebob squarepants, I don’t really watch cartoons as often, am I expected to? I live the next closest thing to a cave.. Svalsbard! 😀
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