Originally posted by google
You’re going to get a heart attack if you keep eating at Mickey Deez.
dont worry, I eat at Jack in the Box too!
the Hamburgler was a pretty popular actor

little did anyone know, he was the guy wearing the uniform in Saving Ryan’s Privates, you know the one with the gun
the Hamburgler was a pretty popular actor

little did anyone know, he was the guy wearing the uniform in Saving Ryan’s Privates, you know the one with the gun
Originally posted by rockgordon
Just one?
ooh you’re a greedy guy aren’t ya 😉
well stop by McD’s sometimes, i’ll intro you to a girl who’ll personally feed you french fries

Originally posted by crobato
Simple.Because Malaysia’s MKM’s are based on the MK design that is the template for the MKI. The MK design is made by IAPO (canards, TVC engine, N011 Bars radar).
Vietnam’s SU-30 order is based on the MKK on the other hand and that is KnAAPO’s jurisdiction.
Indonesia’s SU-27s are the upgraded SU-27SK’s (using MKK avionics), which KnAAPO also handles.
so the MKK’s design isn’t based on the MK design?
anyways, if you are in the Hong Kong area, stop by

I’ll treat you to a free happy meal.
Originally posted by SOC
That’s not the -SMT’s armament loadout-there is no way the Yakhont fits onto a MiG-29.Regardless, this is a good topic. The quality gap between Russian and Western equipment has less to do with technological know-how or industrial ability than it does with money. After the breakup in 1991 and the realization that maybe Lenin wasn’t the brightest of individuals, the economy ended up in the same place you claim the satisfied Hornet pilot will soon be discharging ordinance. That meant there was no money for production of advanced systems like the MiG-29M or the Su-27M/Su-35, nor was there money for R&D of advanced systems like the MiG MFI. The problem now is that there still isn’t enough money to develop or field new aircraft, but their is money to upgrade older aircraft to a more modern standard. That’s where the -SMT comes in.
Are the MiG-29SMT and the F-18C equals? Generally speaking, they are relative equals on paper. Again, ignore the gap in appearance of the hardware, chalk it up to economics. Some advantages of the F-18C: combat proven, proven weapons, proven avionics. Some advantages of the -SMT: integrated laser rangefinder and IRSTS not requiring the waste of a pylon, BVR IR AAM in the form of the R-27T, and the ability to land back at base with the same amount of weapons it left with.
Both aircraft are generally equal, but I would personally prefer the MiG-29SMT. Why? Aesthetics, partially. And I have been in the operational world and heard the knocks on the Hornet. The Hornet is a flawed aircraft being used by an air arm which has no other real option, except for the arguably more capable F-14D which it has chosen to abandon. The -SMT, however, is an aircraft meant to cure the flaws of the original.
Yes the MiG-29 is certainly nice looking, especially the Yemeni one.. but back to the debate
yes the F-18C is combat proven, avionics proven, etc
the SMT has the IRST which is nice, but.. how reliable is this R-27T? how good are the ordinances it can carry? Can the engine life of the SMT match the F-18C’s? then there’s maintenance costs as well as operation costs
Originally posted by h177
SabreAce looks to me an Indian.
oh wells, it doesn’t matter to me.. Indiana and Pakistan once made love with each other and now both have McDonalds in their countries 😀
Originally posted by h177
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~fta/MiG-29-2b.htm
The Indian Air Force (InAF) MiG-29 Experience:The Comptroller and Auditor General of India published on 31March1993 the results of an in depth study on the operational performance and reliability of the MiG-29 aircraft. This study was first reported in Aviation Week & Space Technology during 25July1994 (pg.49), and has been obtained by author from Mr. Pushpindar Singh, of the Society of Aerospace Studies, New Delhi.
65 x MiG-29 single-seat and 5 x dual-seat trainers with 48 x spare engines (sparing factor of 0.7/aircraft) were delivered between 1986 and 1990 at a total program cost of approximately $600 million that included initial spares and support. These aircraft were the first MiG-29’s to ever leave the Soviet Union and were not up to the weapons system standard of those that went later to the Warsaw Pact allies. The aircraft were sent disassembled by sea, and re-assembled, and test flown in India. By 1990 three squadrons were operational. Two Flight Data Ground Processing Units were included to help pilots debrief their utilization of flight controls and systems. Expectations were that single-seat aircraft would fly 15 hours per month (180 hrs/yr) and dual-seat aircraft 20 hours per month (240 hrs/yr).
There were extensive problems encountered in operational and maintenance due to the large number of pre-mature failures of engines, components, and systems. Of the total of 189 engines in service, 139 engines (74%) failed pre-maturely and had been withdraw from service by July 1992, thus effectively shutting down operations. 62 of these engines had not even accomplished 50% of their 300 hours first overhaul point. Thus the desired serviceability showed a steadily decreasing trend.
Engineering reports mainly attribute RD-33 failures to design/material deficiencies causing discolored engine oil (8), cracks in the nozzle guide vanes (31), and surprisingly, foreign object damage (FOD). The eight material deficient engines (discolored oil) were repaired by the contractor under warrantee provisions, but the engines had to be recycled to the manufacturer. The thirty-one engines with cracks in their nozzle guide vanes were fixed in the field by contractor teams and adjustments were made to the entire engine fleet. But even though the incidents reduced the occurrences of the cracks, they continued. But the FOD situation is the most interesting, especially after the inlet FOD doors received world press coverage, but there were other concerns about production quality control that led to problems.
Since the Indian Air Force received early model Fulcrum A’s, some just after the 200th production article, there were quality control deficiencies that resulted in numerous pieces of FOD (foreign object damage) and tools being left behind after final construction inside of the aircraft. Remember that the Fulcrum skeleton is made first and then the skin is riveted over top, in the way aircraft were made in the fifties and sixties in the West. Nuts, bolts, tools, etc. all made their way to the engine bays and inlet ducts and when they were loosened up after accelerations they damaged engines and equipment.
On top of all this, it was discovered that the unique FOD doors on the MiG-29’s inlets were not stopping material from getting into the engine ducts. Since the doors retracted “up” into the inlet, debris that was kicked up by the nose wheel lodged on or at the bottom of the door seal and then was ingested into the engine when the door opened during the nose gear lifted off the ground during takeoff.
This problem was known from the earliest days. After the first four MiG-29 prototypes were evaluated, the nose gear was moved further back, but nose wheel “mud-flaps” or guards were still required to protect the engine from flying debris. It took until 1988 before all delivered aircraft were so equipped, therefore the initial batch of InAF aircraft had to be locally retro-fitted with mud guards and that activity was not completed until June 1992. All costs were supposed to be re-imbursed by the contractor but Mikoyan reneged and left the InAF with $300,000 in liabilities. In subsequent MiG-29K/M models the FOD doors were replaced by screens that closed “down”, forcing any debris out of the louvers repositioned to the lower side of the inlet duct..
The Indian Air Force procurement contract was concluded in September 1986, and the first engine was expected to go into overhaul in 1989. However, four engines prematurely came up for overhaul and no repair facility had been prepared. As time went on, 115 of the 122 engines (94%) prematurely failed and had to be re-cycled through engine depots in Russia at great cost. Backlogs were created and only 79 (65%) engines returned on schedule. Even when a regional Indian repair facility was completed in August 1994, the high failure rates continued and the majority of broken engines had to be sent back to Russian depots. Self-sufficiency was achieved in 1994, only after the operations tempo was significantly reduced on a permanent basis. In the process of refurbishing failed engines, the total technical life of most of the engine fleet was effectively reduced from 800 hours / 8 years to 400 hours / 4 years, at a minimum.
Non-availability of radar and weapon system components also resulted in the grounding of seven aircraft for a period of six to twenty months. Two may have been damaged for life due to cannibalization. Besides this, a large number of subsystems and computers experienced unpredicted failures in the last four years which adversely effected the operational readiness of the squadrons. Some of the computers were field-repaired by specialists from the manufacturers, others were replaced. These repair costs were all in excess to the initial contract costs. It was noted that the 10 additional computers, which were imported, cost the InAF around $806,000. Two Flight Data Ground Processing Units quickly became unserviceable during their warranty period and have been lying un-utilized and un-repaired for over two years.
The InAF Headquarters also noted in March 1991 report that a severe shortage of product support equipment had resulted in the decline of fleet availability by 15-20%, which in turn, took negative effect on operational readiness and mission requirements
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http://www.saunalahti.fi/~fta/MiG-29.htm
In 1995, Klimov developed two advanced thrust-vector-control (TVC) engine designs for use with the MiG-29M, the RD-133 and the RD-333. This became very important after the Su-27 evolved to the Su-35 and then on to the vectored-thrust Su-37 and was successfully displayed in Moscow and at Farnborough. The RD-133 is based on the RD-33 fitted with axis symmetric nozzles while the RD-333 is a new fifth-generation engine. Flight testing with the MiG-29″M” (MiG-33) was to begin in late 1997 with the RD-133 as a flight demonstration program. The RD-333 would require R&D money which has yet to be forthcoming. The Sukhoi TVC program was in part funded by the additional purchase of Su-27’s by the PRC. The new MiG-29″M” derivative will be called the MiG-35. Rumors are that this aircraft will be previewed at the Moscow Air Show (MAKS-97).The RD-133 is a 18,600 lbs (8440 kg / 81.8 kN) thrust class engine in afterburner (wet/reheat). The present uprated MiG-29M RD-33 engine gives 19,392 lbs (8800 kg / 86.3 kN) of thrust. The RD-333 is intended to be of the 22,000 lbs (10,000 kg / 98 kN) thrust class and could be ready for ground tests in three years. Both engines are expected to have design lives of 2,000 hours (Flight International, 10-16Jul96, pg 16). Unlike the Su-35’s AL-37FU engines, the RD-133 operates in both horizontal and vertical planes.
Note. If FC-1 Uses RD engine they will probably built in China with better workmanship and improvement
nice article Heet, but unfortunately that’s the earlier MiG-29, we’re talkin bout the SMT here, that’s supposed to relieve some of that problemos
Originally posted by rockgordon
Too much of an obsession with the world’s healthiest food!
I’m not fat, but I sure like McDonalds, i’m sure we all have a food we like, a song we like, a car we like, a woman we like etc.
McDonalds is not just about hamburgers, but it’s a global corporation whose economic output puts Bulgaria to shame.;)
compared to the MiG-29 it has better range.. but lets continue this on another topic.
Originally posted by rockgordon
Dude, you need to go on a diet! 😉
because?
Originally posted by cbstd
I am an early riser and I wake up hungry. A big breakfast is the best way for me to start the day.A traditional US breakfast (eggs, bacon/suasage, fired potatos, toast/pancakes, OJ and coffee) is a good start for the day.
what a guy! i like you rmenu!
stop by some time, it’s on me!, that is if you ever find your way up north.

Originally posted by cbstd
I am an early riser and I wake up hungry. A big breakfast is the best way for me to start the day.A traditional US breakfast (eggs, bacon/suasage, fired potatos, toast/pancakes, OJ and coffee) is a good start for the day.
what a guy! i like you rmenu!
stop by some time, it’s on me!, that is if you ever find your way up north.

Originally posted by crobato
It’s called being forced to make up, at least to give that appearance in public. Around mid 2001-early 2002, the Russian media had the two on the scandal sheet only second to the scandals involving Project 956EM for the Chinese Navy.————————
Malaysia’s MKM will be made by IAPO.
The contract for Vietnam, Indonesia and possibly Brazil will be KnAAPO.
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What design capability exists in IAPO and KnAAPO? I believe plenty. Despite holding controls for the overall SU-27/30 design, it was KnAAPO for instance that did most of the detail work that led to the MKK. In fact, the MKK is more of KnAAPO’s baby and idea than anyone else, despite Sukhoi’s pretensions.
The schisms and scandals among the factories is what forced Putin to integrate these factories under a single umbrella organization (Sukhoi AVPK).
Crabato, how do you know Malasia’s contract will go to IAPO and Vietnams will go to Knaapo?
Indonesia’s flankerinos seem to be ex-Russki ones based on the quick delivery..while it seems like the flanker offered in Brazil is the Su-35UB which is a Knaapo design.
Originally posted by GarryB
“Garry, are you suggesting the RD-33 is more economical than the F-100 or F-110”I am suggesting that two engines can operate at lower throttle settings than a single engine and therefore operate more efficiently. Equally to fit one engine to the Fulcrum to give it the same performance would be a rather large and very powerful engine that is unlikely to be very efficient at all.
When fuel consumption is calculated as kg of fuel for every kg of force per hour then the lower throttle setting for cruising at a reasonable speed the better.
“Only now the MiG-29SMT and M’s begin to match the F-18C”
Which must mean it is already superior to the sewer hornet. 🙂
Of course ever the bargain basement Mig has had the advantage of datalinks, and IRST, not to mention a superior WVR missile with HMS, and an equivelent BVR missile available. It can also pull greater gs due to the fact that there is no fold in its wings.
Oh Garray, don’t you think you are sometimes too biased to your Russian airplanes?
okay, it may have IRST, yet having a questionable BVR missle vs the AMRAAM not to mention a radar that is equally questionable.. the MiG-29 can turn better, but thats if it even gets WVR. Most customers who can afford better, will go for the F-18 over the MiG-29, I don’t see Malaysia wanting more MiG-29s, do you? And I don’t see any MiG-29’s scoring any victories on the F-18 (any variant). 😉
besides gary, i like you, i used to watch your show all the time
