F-18 Hamburgermy ideas,
I’m not an American, just merely some one from an insignificant place that probably wouldn’t give a crap what happened elsewhere in the world.
but I’ve been in the US for the past year or so and here’s what I think based on my observation.
One that promotes a good defense. Being the world’s largest resource hog won’t come w/o it’s enemies :dev2: the Amerikaners can probably reduce the amount they consume but they’ll always have some kind of conflict with other resource hogs or potential ones.
In terms of war and such I think Eisenhower was right, I’d rather sponsor internal civil war or electorial fraud, etc to seek a regime change than by using your own forces. History has shown that when people fight their own people, they’re willing to come to terms imposed with each other rather than on a foreigner. the US just has to make sure their side wins and can at least win the heart of the people. Clinton tried it with Iraq but failed.. I think Dubya should’ve tried it again instead of doing it messily.
I think there should be alot of decentralization, especially on federal subsidies and energy. I think greater state roles would be preferable. Norway meets much of it’s energy needs through hydro powered dams, Denmark meets 20% through wind. The US should be much more active in such things, which would require decentralization of energy production as each region has different climates. With this, the US can at release or at least weaken the tight Saudi grip that they currently maintain around the American’s testicles.
Also states should have muchmuch more greater roles in their own economic policies and also be the ones funding much of the subsidies, not the federal government, (i.e welfare,etc). The US i believe, was originally much more decentralized with States having more power over their own affair.
Also i don’t like how strong a hold the defense and energy industries have over politics here.
Socialism works in some countries, but in others it just won’t work.
F-18 HamburgerBut the plane is a bitch to maintain. The engines have a ridiculously short life. The plane is difficult to fly and mastering it means seperating the real men from the boys. The MiG-17 and the early MiG-21s are much sweeter planes to fly, and are thus, much more suitable for countries whose pilots you have to derive from a peasant base. Which is quite surprising why the Chinese built so much of the J-6s and persisted in building way into the modern jet era. But the thing is, if you did master the Farmer, you are difficult to beat in a WVR situation, and the Chinese often feel that the plane is better than the early J-7s in a dogfight. (This is grounded with some facts—those sweep wings have less drag through corners faster than deltas, not to mention the plane having greater power).
I wonder if that applies to the A-5/Q-5.
in any case this is a tough one. I really like the look of the F-100 and think it’s something Pakistan should liscense build on their own. Best looking mouth intake aircraft bar the X-32 and J29. Plus I like the single engine better.
The N.Vietnamese found their MiG-15 and 21’s far more useful than the MiG-19.
F-18 Hamburgernot really, its based on the reference thats been quoted there ….. BTW the cost of MiG-29’s in that post is way higher than what it is (even by quoting the links), where as the cost of the Rafales and EF-2000 is somewhat leas in terms of a couple of hundred million dollars.
Yeah right, it is exactly the same, except you editted the MiG-29 figures with your in accurate numbers. Futhermore, you didn’t even bother to quote the sources I based my numbers from, how lame is that :rolleyes:
I guess that reduces it down to
1. MiG-29 MRCA
2. Rafale
3. Eurofighterin that order..
my estimates on costs..
125 MiG-29SMT to be about $5.4 billion based on Janes Defense weekly on prices for Algeria’s MiG-29SMT and india’s MiG-29KUB inquiry, which are similar
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sh…geria+MiG-29SMT125 Rafale to be about $8.4 Billion (or 6.3 billion Euros) this is based on the price given to the French Air Force
http://www.expatica.com/source/site…+fight er+jets125 Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 2 will be about $11.5 billion (or £6 billion)
this is based on The Telegraph’s report on what the RAF is paying
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sh…ighlight=Rafaleso ow.. how much is India willing to spend on crazy new fighters
Plus why make another seperate thread on India’s purchase, the last one got merged back into the main Indian thread. :rolleyes:
F-18 HamburgerI think u have got a HUGE mistake in calculating the cos for the MiG-29M/M2, as per the link above, the Algerian deal for 50 MiG-29M/M2 is about $1.8 billion.
so that comes as $36million per unit = $4.5 Billion for the IAF order.
And if we take it as $40milion per unit, the IAF order cost like $5 billion
For the Rafales … it cost per unit is like $67.79 million = ~ $68 million
and for the IAF order it will total it as ~8.5 Billion
But note that that unit cost is for the French, for any outside sales, it wud be higher than that.
Of course you have a huge mistake if you can’t even read properly. Both the MiG-29SMT and MiG-29K figures posted in the link clearly show $42-43 per aircraft.
Perhaps it’s too difficult for you to divide 16 from $700? :rolleyes:
F-18 Hamburgerwhy the hell should they ban it, the Swastika has many other connotations other than Nazism.
the Swastika is used by Hinduism
a reverse Swastika is used in Buddhism,
the Blue Finnish Swastika represents the family of Count von Rosen..
I say we fight and return the true meanings of the Swastika rather than giving in to special interest groups who want to continue their pitiful reminiscense of an unfortunate era.
F-18 HamburgerI cannot believe you are taking that seriously, the original F-14A is one hell of a specialized aircraft. It carries AIM-7, AIM-54 and AIM-9, plus some even more specialized birds were TARPS wired, that is all. Don’t mean to dis the qualities of F-14, it has proven its worth, but why the hell you are willing to sink that deep with the level and quality of your conclusions just to dig out flaws of Russian hardware at any costs, I don’t know.
boo hoo hoo, perhaps the harsh reality is too much for you to handle. I suggest you look into the roles for which the F-14 and the MiG-31 were designed for :rolleyes: diggint out flaws of Russian hardware at any costs? BS kid, don’t play the race card when you don’t even know the history and the roles of these two aircraft (look at USN and IRIAF combat experiences). Perhaps you abstain from your friend Elmers Glue. 😉
F-18 HamburgerI don’t think the Typhoon is too over-priced.
People have got to come to the realization that things aren’t always cheap. We’re now well into the 21st century, so you had better get used to it because new things are always going to be expensive.
The MiG-29 is cheap
The Su-30MKK is cheap
The FC-1 is supposedly cheap
the F-16I is a real steal :diablo:
F-18 HamburgerI thought they demanded a 2 engine aircraft..
I guess that reduces it down to
1. MiG-29 MRCA
2. Rafale
3. Eurofighter
in that order..
my estimates on costs..
125 MiG-29SMT to be about $5.4 billion based on Janes Defense weekly on prices for Algeria’s MiG-29SMT and india’s MiG-29KUB inquiry, which are similar
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23110&highlight=Algeria+MiG-29SMT
125 Rafale to be about $8.4 Billion (or 6.3 billion Euros) this is based on the price given to the French Air Force
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=14754&name=France+spends+EUR+3+billion+on+Dassault+fighter+jets
125 Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 2 will be about $11.5 billion (or £6 billion)
this is based on The Telegraph’s report on what the RAF is paying
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=36019&highlight=Rafale
so ow.. how much is India willing to spend on crazy new fighters :diablo:
F-18 Hamburgermy parents tell me that I was made in the USSR 😮
F-18 HamburgerJust like the Mig-25 was compromised in Japan by belenko… the result was a thorough upgrade that greatly improved the aircrafts performance in both cases.
The Mig-31B changes everything so the current solutions for the USAF to defeat the Mig-31 are currently guesswork.
And how many of these MiG-31B’s does Russia actually field? :rolleyes:
The SR-71 is a much more specialised aircraft… being a high flying recce aircraft. The Mig-25 is rather more multirole than the SR-71.
oh, I thought we were talking about the MiG-31 :rolleyes:
The Iranians seem to like their F-14s…
that’s because the F-14 is not a one trick pony 😉
Do Tomcats have the range to escort US bombers into and out of Soviet territory?
how many other countries have strategical bombers? i thought we’re talking export here :rolleyes:
The early model Mig-31s seriously lacked processing power. A radar that size should be able to detect dozens of targets and track fighters at 200km but the lack of processing power greatly limited its performance. The Zaslon-M for the Mig-31M has a few antenna improvements but the main improvement to extend its range to 400km+ against large aircraft (like AWACS or transports) was an increase in processing power. Where you you think all these debts to South Korea came from that resulted in SK taking T-80U tanks in payment?
which is why contracts for the MiG-31M is booming 😀
F-18 HamburgerThis situation is nothing new, the same was happening with South Vietnam or Pakistan ordering B-57 instead of British Canberra, Shorts Tucano receiving orders from Kenya and Kuwait instead of the original EMB-312, or T-6A Texan II beating PC-9s in Canada and Greece.
Are you sure the South Vietnamese used the B-57? I know it was involved in that theater, but not by the SVAF.
F-18 Hamburgerhow about a domesticated Rafale, any chance on that? I’m pretty sure regardless of Rafale or Typhoon, they would want to put in their own electronics, avionics and missiles.
F-18 HamburgerI don’t think they want the Mig-31 exported yet.
From what I have read the Foxhound seems both popular and capable.
not when considering that mr “Donald” compromised much of the MiG-31’s avionics capabilities.. to which the solution has supposedly been created, but NOT implemented or sought. Meaning whatever counter measures the Americans develop, it is still useful as the Russians have done nothing to rectify the problem it has created. Furthermore most air forces don’t one trick ponies.. despite all the secondary stuff you add to it, it has always been designed as an interceptor. I doubt the Iranians, Chinese, Martians and Colemans want a compromised, expensive, single role wonder in their air forces.
F-18 HamburgerOn a technical note I actually believe the Yak-38s took off horizontally on the Kiev class and Baku (later Admiral Gorshkov) making them STOVL carriers, not VTOL.
yes yes, you are right, my mistake. Totally forgot about that 😮
F-18 HamburgerI agree here. US foreign policy relating to Israel is one of the major issues I do not support the current (or any) administration in. Remind me what we’re getting out of it again?
We would have none of this if the Brits followed through on their idea of Israel in Kenya :dev2:
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