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  • in reply to: Unknown engine #933267
    speedwellfane
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    Hi In would rather not say where it is at the moment as we are still trying to keep it quite but it is a long way out from the Lincolnshire coast does this help.
    Kevin

    in reply to: Unknown engine #933272
    speedwellfane
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    Sorry if this reply goes on twice it seems i may have done it again
    Hi All
    Many thanks for all the info on PMR act, let me explain a little more.
    This Aircraft was discovered by the French Navy while we were looking for the wreck of HMS Haldene given to the Free French Navy during WW2 (renamed La Commbatante, this ship took Charles De Gaulle back to France after the D Day landings) http://www.grieme.org/pages/comb.html the items recovered were brought up by the navy divers and recorded with the receiver of wrecks.
    I have been involved with these divers in the past but did not dive on this wreckage and the report from the French Navy was a 4 engine bomber possible a Lancaster.
    My French friend says
    Hi Kevin
    I send you the pictures of the artifacts we found on this wreck in 2005.
    I dive on it and i remember that it was a 4 engines in star “12 cylinder i think !!”
    There was no fuselage, only the engines, the cable on the wings and where the fuselage was and the cockpit on the sand.
    But we don’t photography it !

    Mark Evans from BAAC says RE: BAAC Web Form: General BAAC Enquiry

    Kevin,

    The radio component is very helpful. We think you have parts of a1082/1083 Transmitter/Receiver. The 1082/1083 was superseded by the T1154/R1155 in bombers around 1942. I’ve been on a Wellington crash site from July 1941 which has the R1155. We should be able to get more details of when the 1082/1083 went out of service. The early radio is consistent with the 1939 date on the direction indicator instrument – that doesn’t imply 1939 is the date of loss of course, but it does suggest an early-war loss.

    One possibly id is Halifax II (Merlin engines) R9450 of 35 Squadron, which is recorded as crashing 30 miles off Mablethorpe at 23.00 on 9 March 1942. It had taken off at 19.16 from Linton-on-Ouse, bound for Essen. The crew of 7 were never found, so R9450 must be considered a war grave. This may not be the correct ID, because the 1082 radio may have gone out of service by March 1942.

    In the Halifax, the navigator sat below and in front of the pilot, whereas in the Lancaster he was behind the pilot, at the same height. If the ICAN was forward of the cockpit area, that would suggest a Halifax – but of course wreckage can move around on the sea bed.

    We’ll try to get a better date for the radio.

    Regards,

    Mark
    BAAC

    But we know now that the engines are radial so it rules out Halifax R9450
    We have been researching this aircraft for the last few years but have only just been out to dive the site on 24 September 2013 and we have recovered no artifacts.
    I applied to the Joint Casualty & Compassionate Centre (SO3 Commemorations & Licensing) for a licence and have been communicating with Sue Raftree on 11 April 2013 but I cannot get a signature from the landowner which they are insisting on, I have explained that it is on the sea bed and outside UK waters but they are sure that there will be a land owner for the site.
    I have contacted English Heritage and asked them but they only cover UK waters as do the Crown Estate, so as it stands I am waiting for the Lawyers of the Joint Casualty & Compassionate Centre (SO3 Commemorations & Licensing) to come up with an answer, no idea when that will be.
    I said that I thought that no license was necessary as when I was looking on the internet I read a site which said that aircraft outside UK waters did not need a UK license but the MOD would ask not to remove anything and respect the site, but thanks to you on this site I now know that I must push the Joint Casualty & Compassionate Centre (SO3 Commemorations & Licensing) to get me answer.
    No one will frighten me away as I am determined to find out what aircraft this is and tell its story as we have done with a few shipwrecks it is only fitting that if this is a military aircraft and people lost their lives whilst serving our country that we should honor them for there sacrifice.
    We have never done an aircraft before and am willing to learn from you guys and will gladly accept any help and information.
    As a member of the BSAC I and most of our dive club know the legislation but unfortunately some divers just ignore it. We as a separate group have been diving and researching shipwrecks since 1997 and obtained a lottery grant in 2005 to 2008 to research shipwrecks around the River Humber which there are about 200 within a 20 mile radius of Spurn Point, we know the legislation and will always abide by it.
    So please let me assure you we are dedicated to these wreck sites.
    We will not be able to return to this site as it is a long way offshore and the weather and daylight hours will restrict us to research and no diving untill at least may 2014, we will hopefully get more photos and film next year and will let you all see them it as we cannot wait to solve this riddle.

    Kind Regards Kevin

    in reply to: Unknown engine #933319
    speedwellfane
    Participant

    Hi All
    Many thanks for all the info on PMR act, let me explain a little more.
    This Aircraft was discovered by the French Navy while we were looking for the wreck of HMS Haldene given to the Free French Navy during WW2 (renamed La Commbatante, this ship took Charles De Gaulle back to France after the D Day landings) http://www.grieme.org/pages/comb.html the items recovered were brought up by the navy divers and recorded with the receiver of wrecks.
    I have been involved with these divers in the past but did not dive on this wreckage and the report from the French Navy was a 4 engine bomber possible a Lancaster.
    My French friend says
    Hi Kevin
    I send you the pictures of the artifacts we found on this wreck in 2005.
    I dive on it and i remember that it was a 4 engines in star “12 cylinder i think !!”
    There was no fuselage, only the engines, the cable on the wings and where the fuselage was and the cockpit on the sand.
    But we don’t photography it !

    Mark Evans from BAAC says RE: BAAC Web Form: General BAAC Enquiry

    Kevin,

    The radio component is very helpful. We think you have parts of a1082/1083 Transmitter/Receiver. The 1082/1083 was superseded by the T1154/R1155 in bombers around 1942. I’ve been on a Wellington crash site from July 1941 which has the R1155. We should be able to get more details of when the 1082/1083 went out of service. The early radio is consistent with the 1939 date on the direction indicator instrument – that doesn’t imply 1939 is the date of loss of course, but it does suggest an early-war loss.

    One possibly id is Halifax II (Merlin engines) R9450 of 35 Squadron, which is recorded as crashing 30 miles off Mablethorpe at 23.00 on 9 March 1942. It had taken off at 19.16 from Linton-on-Ouse, bound for Essen. The crew of 7 were never found, so R9450 must be considered a war grave. This may not be the correct ID, because the 1082 radio may have gone out of service by March 1942.

    In the Halifax, the navigator sat below and in front of the pilot, whereas in the Lancaster he was behind the pilot, at the same height. If the ICAN was forward of the cockpit area, that would suggest a Halifax – but of course wreckage can move around on the sea bed.

    We’ll try to get a better date for the radio.

    Regards,

    Mark
    BAAC

    But we know now that the engines are radial so it rules out Halifax R9450
    We have been researching this aircraft for the last few years but have only just been out to dive the site on 24 September 2013 and we have recovered no artifacts.
    I applied to the Joint Casualty & Compassionate Centre (SO3 Commemorations & Licensing) for a licence and have been communicating with Sue Raftree on 11 April 2013 but I cannot get a signature from the landowner which they are insisting on, I have explained that it is on the sea bed and outside UK waters but they are sure that there will be a land owner for the site.
    I have contacted English Heritage and asked them but they only cover UK waters as do the Crown Estate, so as it stands I am waiting for the Lawyers of the Joint Casualty & Compassionate Centre (SO3 Commemorations & Licensing) to come up with an answer, no idea when that will be.
    I said that I thought that no license was necessary as when I was looking on the internet I read a site which said that aircraft outside UK waters did not need a UK license but the MOD would ask not to remove anything and respect the site, but thanks to you on this site I now know that I must push the Joint Casualty & Compassionate Centre (SO3 Commemorations & Licensing) to get me answer.
    No one will frighten me away as I am determined to find out what aircraft this is and tell its story as we have done with a few shipwrecks it is only fitting that if this is a military aircraft and people lost their lives whilst serving our country that we should honor them for there sacrifice.
    We have never done an aircraft before and am willing to learn from you guys and will gladly accept any help and information.
    As a member of the BSAC I and most of our dive club know the legislation but unfortunately some divers just ignore it. We as a separate group have been diving and researching shipwrecks since 1997 and obtained a lottery grant in 2005 to 2008 to research shipwrecks around the River Humber which there are about 200 within a 20 mile radius of Spurn Point, we know the legislation and will always abide by it.
    So please let me assure you we are dedicated to these wreck sites.
    We will not be able to return to this site as it is a long way offshore and the weather and daylight hours will restrict us to research and no diving untill at least may 2014, we will hopefully get more photos and film next year and will let you all see them it as we cannot wait to solve this riddle.

    Kind Regards Kevin

    in reply to: Unknown engine #933799
    speedwellfane
    Participant

    Hi Thanks for pointing that out and I have been in touch with them but as it lies outside British territorial waters no licence is needed, but we will respect the site and be mindful that people may have lost their lives there.

    in reply to: Unknown engine #933802
    speedwellfane
    Participant

    Hi I have set video to public now thanks

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