ArthurAnd as for fast aircraft carrying missiles, the MiG-25P and MiG-25BM carried their R-40 and Kh-58 missiles externally and could hit Mach 2.83 while doing so.
Which gives a new sort of problems. The FAB-500-62M bombs as used by the MiG-25RB series (also capable of being hauled at such speeds) have a special coating to make them withstand frictional heating. Also, these bombs are milled to far more stringent standards than regular iron bombs as even a slight imbalance in their shape (like an off-centre ‘tip’) might do a lot of harm at such speed thanks to aerodynamics.
ArthurThat list got me thinking Steve (for the second time already this week, damn!). I assume that’s a copy-paste from an official list, but were non-US aircraft like the Mystère or Vampire referred to under their ‘original’ name, or were they given a shadow designator to make them fit under the US system?
It’s interesting that the list both mentiones T-6es (in three batches, including Navy ones which i think actualyl should be SNJ’s?), and Harvards. Where the latter former RAF or Canadian machines? If they are indeed former Canadian, wouldn’t this mean that some of the T-33s mentioned are in fact also ex-Canadian T-33ANs, as the French got quite a number of those as well.
Sorry for the chaotic way of presenting my questions, but that’s what happens when i think 😉
ArthurThey can afford it. Like I said- given money(the incentive) and a challenge- the US aero industry can deliver like blazes. They deserve respect and remain the competition to emulate.
Sometimes, they can. This could well be happening now, although i wonder how many distinctive design issues they have killed with this weight-scraping. An issue like this cost Fokker millions of guilders, when someone suddenly proposed a ‘weight savings’ measure in the F100. Unfortunately, the weight saved eventually proved to be a pretty important piece of weight.
And sometimes, they can’t. Think XFV-12, think V-22, think F3H (or anything else J40-powered), think TF30 engine, think Sgt. York/DIVADS… Sorry to put a downer on your blind faith.
If you look at the way things are written down in the article/press release (WOULD IT BE TOO MUCH FOR YOU GUYS TO ACTUALLY PUT A VERIFIABLE SOURCE/LINK WITH ANYTHING YOU COPY & PASTE HERE? SHEESH…. :rolleyes: ), it seems at least some capabilities have been sacrificed, or at least put in jeopardy: “The change would not affect any of the weapons that the aircraft initially is required to carry, Burbage said.”. Emphasis mine, and i am wondering what future weapons now no longer will be able to fit inside the weapons bay. Especially considering the weapon bay dimensions have been made for a certain reason (you are not going to put a too large door in an airframe just for laughs).
Also, these mods still not bring the yet unflown aircraft up to it’s specifications:”“My view is that we’re getting to closure on what the configuration ought to be,” Enewold said.“
ArthurWhat else than F-16s do you expect in Brogel ? 😀
Besides, Vipers (Lawndarts for you) are NICE. Even as park ornament they are ! 😉
F-16? NICE? Glad you wrote that in caps, so i know it must be an acronym. Let’s see… Not Interesting, but Can’t Escape them?
😉
ArthurNice pictures Frank, but you should know that certain people here DO NOT like F-16s… lucky for you, i really like that head-on shot of the Czech MiG-21MFN, but be careful in the future 😉
ArthurGood call Frank. Herewith un des modérateurs de cet forum also strongly supports your warning, and starts chopping up some of Pilotght’s crap of course.
ArthurIs he real? Are my eyes fooling me? Am i delusional?
Noooo…. it’s SOC! Welcome back, dude. Too bad you missed getting elected as moderator, now others have to try and keep this place somewhat bearable.
As for the drawings as posted by Deino: is the bad smell as depicted in the number 5 drawing part of this thing’s self defense package?
ArthurYak-141 is an acknowledged failure, particularly given its rather pathetic ancestors. Yakovlev is simply an outfit that should have been put out of its misery long ago. I assume you are aware of stories about how Yak-38 pilots had to get a pre-take-off enema to ensure that not a single extra pound is going up?
Yeah, you must be one of the people judging the whole Yak-38’s performance on the Yak-38M’s crash record when conveniently forgetting the actually pretty reliable vanilla Yak-38? Sure, in VTOL the Yak-38 was only capable of an absolutely pathetic payload, but that’s why they mostly used a rolling takeoff. I know the West used to be completely oblivious about this, but i’m sure your ancestral sources have educated you beyond the Western frame?
You might have a point about the Yakovlev OKB being well past it’s prime (lemme guess – the Yak-14 was their prime design?), it still happens to be the first company to build a supersonic VTOL fighter WITH a decent payload, and quite a few other interesting designs in the last 30 years or so. It would probably be better of as a purely experimental outfit (like Myasishchev), i’ll be happy to discuss that in a separate thread if you don’t mind.
ArthurIndia should have sent tougher negotiators–the Russians would have sold that old rust bucket with or without MiG-29K. They needed the money. They were desperate. They were bluffing.
Uhhh… do you actually have any idea how long the negotiations took? Either the Russians weren’t quite as desparate to get rid of the rusty raft as you suggest, or the Indians are incredibly poor negotiatiors.
Besides, making the Gorshkov a CATOBAR carrier rather than a skijump-one would make the position for the Indians pretty difficult, wouldn’t you think? Face it, the choice for the planes to go with the Gorshkov was between the MiG-29K or the Su-27K, with the latter being a little bit obese for that small boat. However, if the Indians would have had any guts, they would have opted for the Yak-141, and buy the current British Harrier-carriers as well. I would have liked that. A lot.
ArthurBesides, it isn’t much of an improvement, only about 200 km or so compared to the M variant.
The key words being here “compared to the M variant”, with the M having of course an increased range over all current service models.
Never mind the personal insults Incognito, but it is a joy to see someone like you support opinions like yours based on so much ignorance 😉
ArthurHPS,
Your post is releted since not all moderators agreed on it being a part of the discussion. But be advised that there is a thread in which the article you posted is appearantly refuted (i’m sure the more decent debaters here will provide a link to it). Also, for discussion sakes, it might be a good idea to give some sort of comment on any OpEd-sort of article you post here.
ArthurJust make sure the boys are to become fine upstanding members of society, rather than planespotters. And me being moderator… you should blame those who voted for me to wield this power, Keymags actually installed a democracy here 😉
I’ll try to look for an on-line map of the Military Districts. I have a few in books, but those are hardly scannable. Outside of Russia, only the three MDs in the Ukraine/Moldova are separated independent from borders though. But if you imagine a line straight North from Moldova’s northern tip, you will have the Transcarpathian MD to the West of this. From the same point, you pull a line straight to the East right until you meat the Dnepr and then follow the river: this is the Odessa MD, so roughly the south of Ukraine, Moldova and the Crimea. The rest of Ukraine (the entire north and east) is the Kiev MD.
ArthurFerence! Good to read from you again! (yes, i got the email, but didn’t reply yet because i’m evil/lazy/impossible/left-handed/import-Heerlenaar)
You’re not entirely correct with your statement that back in the Soviet days, one Military District was equivalent to a certain Air Army. One District could house more than just one Army, in fact most of them did. This because obviously IA-PVO, FA, DA and V-TA units did not belong to the same Air Army, yet could easily be stationed in the same district.
For example, in the Belarus MD you could find units from the following armies, with the headquarters of those armies:
Messy huh? It gets even better when you include other MDs, and take the breakup of the USSR into consideration as well. For example, the 24VA/DA which we’ve seen above in the Belarus listing, was to become the command structure of the later Ukraine AF.
The following Air Armies all were based in the Ukraine, so that’s in theeCarpathian, Odessa and Kiev MDs:
‘Borders’ between Air Armies crossed Military District-borders throughout the whole Soviet Union. The Baltic States for example were all part of the Kaliningrad MD, but the V-TA army stationed there also had a regiment in the Leningrad MD, and one of Leningrad’s PVO Armies also had interceptor regiments in the Kaliningrad MD. Further East it gets a bit less confusing, simply because there were less Armies and Districts. In Asia, outside of Russia there were only the Turkestan MD (covering Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan), the Central Asian MD (covering Kazakstan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan), and bordering Turkey and Iran was the Causasian MD covering what are now Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaidzhan.
ArthurWho is the bigot exactly?
can you show us?
If you can, banning can easily happen?
Banning can happen easily enough, to all of those considered by the WebMaster and his Moderator cronies to be a disturbance to this board. Like bigots.
Arthur
didn’t you use to post on acig a few years back?
Still do sometimes. Why?
ArthurI tried to change the thread-title but alas, it seems it can’t be changed in the database. Anycase you bigots and flagwaivers better find another excuse to spew your intolerant crap. The choice of words was poor – now get over it.
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