‘Stupid spotter’? Just think of something nicely alliterating or something which makes an non-PC acronym. It shouldn’t be too hard 😉
Warmish, but you’re not right Sammie. From the Scramble airshow report of ILA2000 at http://www.scramble.nl/mil/show/showreports/berlin00.htm
RA-85655 Tu-154M Space Res C.
So yes, there was a Tu-154M from the Russian space agency.
But it appears that this aircraft is a VIP/cosmonaut ferry, and also used for Open Skies missions. So it’s not a Zero-G aircraft.
Here it is at it’s home base Chkalovsky (aka Star City), picture by Mike Barth.
Originally posted by flex297
Arthur, your level of knowledge is amazing even for a freak like me.. I have three questions here..1. Did Ukrainian Blackjacks ever perform any flights? (transfer flights to Engels excluded)
2. Were the Russian stars repainted with Ukrainian insignia? If yes, was it the old style roundels with yellow center and blue outline or the new ones with the colors reversed? Got any photographic evidence for this?
3. I am absolutely stunned about your frequent visits to Russia or China. Damn, if I only had time for this.. What do you do? 🙂
1. Yes, they did fly occasionally, although appearantly not all with all aircraft.
2. I’ve seen a few Tryzubs at Priluki. I don’t remember the roundels in all honesty, but some (not all!) aircraft did have the Tryzub-shield on their fins. Some pictures should exist of these, but i couldn’t find any.
3. Don’t change your job, find me a job first! It’s almost impossible to find employment as a journalist here in the south of the Netherlands 🙁 I’m a Newspaper Cut…
Also, my former Soviet Union visits aren’t all that frequent (1995, 1996 twice, 1997, 2001) and i’ve only been to China once (2001). It just depends on what you do with the time when you’re there. The fSU trips were all planespotting trips of the unorganised kind, the trip to China was a wonderful holiday with some aviation-related ‘excursions.’
Immigrants?
Immigrants?
I just couldn’t resist – besides, after doing a number of serious posts and slugging it with some Pakistan propagandists in the Afghanistan-thread, i thought it would be nice to stir this one up 😉
Originally posted by Vympel
It’s comforting to know that the majority of the BLACKJACKs built did make their way back to the Rodina and were spared the scrappers.
Not big enough a majority. I haven’t got a full overview at hand, but there were 19 Tu-160s at Priluki. Nine of them were saved, so no less than 10 were scrapped. Including the three prototypes, 35 and Blackjacks were built and there are three unfinished ones at Kazan. I think only 14 Tu-160s now survive at Engels after the crash of bort 01, and for the crash investigation one of the stored airframes at Zhukovskii also met it’s fate in a destructive test. Add to this the crashed prototype and the fact that i think only one of the Zhukovskii Blackjacks is still flying, you’ll see that in fact less than half of all Tu-160s built still fly. Which is far too low.
Here is one of the original 5 machines at Engels, before they got names and Russian heraldry on their tails and noses. Note the Bisons in the background.
Originally posted by skythe
So how does the J-8 compare with the MiG-21 then, performance-wise?
Faster, longer range, better acceleration, less time-to-altitude. All the typical advantages of a bigger aircraft with more thrust. This comparison is for the original J-7 (MiG-21F) of course. The original J-8 was on the other hand just as austere in it’s systems: it only had a minimal ranging radar, and as such was really a clear-weather interceptor. The J-8I (or later J-8A) did have a bit more of a radar, and the current J-8E has something better still, although of course still limited by the size of the radome/intake cone, which is really small. Performance-wise it remains a MiG-21 ‘heavy’ though.
As for the J-8 being a MiG-21 clone: a bit far-fetched isn’t it? The whole fuselage and tail is different. The wings are similar but are not identical (the J-8s wing seems to have been strengthened), and even the nose, while of similar design, is bigger and longer. Anyone going to Beijing can make the comparison for himself, just bring a camera and a bit of measurement gear: rulers and stuff.
The J-8(I, A, E) is definately much less a MiG-21 than a Dhruv is a BK117 😀
(fuel, firewood, lighter!)
Actually, the Ukrainian Tu-160-mass-executions only started in the late 1990s and were finished only in 2001 or 2002 if i’m not mistaken. The we-hate-russia-rhetoric was pretty much over then. The reason they were eventually scrapped, was because these weren’t considered useable anymore by the Russians. The best Tu-160s the Ukrainians had at Priluki (their Blackjack-base and the first operational Blackjack-unit in the Soviet Union) were sold back to the Russians. The other ones, most of which hadn’t even flown during the Ukrainian years, were scrapped. The scrapping was done under SALT/CFE treaties, and was sponsored by the US. The actual company to perform the foul act of chopping up those White Swans was Raytheon, also taking care of the Backfire scrappings (at Mikolajiv, Priluki and Poltava) in the Ukraine… Shame on them!
I was lucky enough to have seen all Ukrainian ones prior to the axeman’s visit, and if it weren’t for the recent delivery of a factory-fresh Blackjack to Engels, i would have had a whole ‘type’ complete in my logs. Ah well, guess another trip to the banks of the Volga is necessary… The first time i saw one (Engels, 1996) i was absolutely stunned by the size of the bird, while still being one of the most elegant Soviet aircraft i’ve ever seen. Usually i like Soviet stuff because there is a certain rudeness in their look: they just look sturdy and heavy, as if they are all capable of taking off from the most muddy Russian dirtstrips (believe me – that’s impossible. Russia has the worst mud in the world 😉 ). No so for the Blackjack. But beautiful? Definately!
Here is one of eight Ukrainian Tu-160s on it’s way to join the Russian fleet at Engels. The ninth surviving Ukrainian Blackjack should be preserved at the base museum at Poltava, although i am not sure if or how the huge aircraft was moved from Priluki (which is some 150 kilometres from Poltava).
And here with a frontal view showing the intake ducting. The right intake duct went all the way back to feed the rear engine (that’s why the cockpit was on the left), the left duct going to the forward engine.
There was only one prototype, which unfortunately crashed in 1949 on it’s 39th flight because of flutter. This obviously didn’t please Stalin, so he disbanded Sukhoi’s design bureau. Only after Stalin’s death Sukhoi he allowed to continue work under his own name in stead of as an anonymous prisoner-theoreticist at TsAGI.
…then a cross-section showing how the engines were mounted in tandem (yes, it had the rear engine that far back – i don’t know of any CG problems though).
The La-200B was a redesign of the earlier -200, and was a bit heavier and had a larger radar. Perhaps interesting, all La-200s were two-seaters, the crew sitting very snug side-by-side under that canopy.
Probably the ugliest (and IMHO most interesting) of the Soviet tandem-engined interceptors was the Su-15 / Izdeliye P, with a British-style axysymmetrical cockpit, and the probably the most curved intake ducts ever to be put on a fighter. Glad they used centrifugal VK-1 engines for this, i don’t think axial-flow turbojets could have coped with the airflow coming out of those pipes (engineers, correct me of course).
First a pic of the original Su-15…
…and here’s the one with the radome above the intake.
There was actually quite a bit of experimentation around in the Soviet Union for a heavy all-weather interceptor in the late 1940s/early 1950s. The Yak-25 of course finally entered service, but apart from the La-200B there were two other weird looking machines with tandem-mounted engines.
There was the La-200, the predecessor of the -200B but with a single intake (either around or under the radome, depends on which prototype you’re talking about)
The one with the central-mounted intake…