IIRC, the first pic which showed this Phantom was one taken by the US military. The pic was of a Mi-4 wreck, with the remains of the Spook in the background.
The story behind the Spook ending up at Tallil is at ACIG, part of Tom Cooper’s article Gone with the Wind. You can find it under the header ‘Night Harvest’
No matter how much i like space exploration, i don’t think the US can afford such a project on it’s own. The dollar is collapsing under the US’ trade and budget deficit as it is.
Unless the project will be paid the GWB-way: lowering taxes, and increase banknote production!
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Phantom
It might have not occurred to you just yet, but your famous emotional knee-jerk outbursts like above somehow never do you any good. For one reason or another you always end up restating or correcting your initial responses, making other pretty dumb or erronous remarks at the same time. It’s not that i mind (absolutely not, i’m having great fun at your expense π ), but if there is one thing you should have learned at this board, it is to think before you type. If you would, i’m sure you would get a lot more of the respect you think you’re entitled to from your fellow posters.
For example…
How convenient that, as is always the case when people try to “correct” things I’ve said, you seem to ignore other things I mention….
If you’re correct, there is no reason to correct you. And yes, if we’re pointing out certain things you stated are nonsense, insensitive, biased or whatever, we ignore the things which don’t need correction. That’s what correcting (or responding) is all about. You DID state that dropping A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki helped preventing all of Europe to be speaking German. Which was a stupid thing to say – not only because you know better, but also because you have a better grasp of your native language than that.
I’m sure that the idea of Americans learning that in school is something you people get kicks at , but it’s certainly not the case.
Thank you, this piece of public relations for your country almost compensates for the Ranch Rescue militias in Arizona. But that’s off-topic.
…such as the RAF’s raids on the various dams of the Rhein (pardon my spelling if it’s inaccurate)…
Your spelling of the name of the river Rhein is accurate, good call. Your info is not: the dams were in the MΓΆhne, Eder and Sorbe rivers. See what i mean?
…and in an age where precision weaponry was all but nonexistant, it was hoped civilian casualties were as small as possible on any side.
Nonsense. Both Air Marshall Arthur Harris and Gen Curtis LeMay deliberately wanted to kill as many civilians as possible, and planned their missions as much to meet this goal as possible. Firebombing civilian centres will do less damage to infrastructure than explosive bombing, but will kill more people. Now, with what weapons were Dresden, Kassel, Hamburg and most Japanese cities hit again?
See what i mean?
If I’m not mistaken the raids you mentioned were all done by American and/or Allied forces………………
So you are suggesting Flex is anti-Allies and was hence a pro-Nazi? Subtle, but pretty insensitive to say the least. But i’m sure you didn’t mean that, right?
See what i mean?
…You’re always slipping in little underhanded remarks and whatnot. Anytime you think you can take a shot at the American’s you take it.
Considering the eagerness in which you take criticism on the US as personal and vice versa, i’m seriously thinking you are paranoid. But that’s just me.
…I even have great respect for those who fought for the Axis that died (the ones that were simply following orders and serving their country in what they might have thought to be the right thing to do at the time).
Trying suggestive language is nice Phantom, but if you do so, THINK about what you’re typing. I could interpret the quote above as “i respect Axis soldiers who thought it was the right thing to do to serve their country by gassing jews, killing bolsheviks and raping Nanjing”.
See what i mean?
And you are still wondering why people find you insensitive?
And some of you make a good point about the whole “Jap” reference (and I do apologize for that one), but at the same time if I feel that being called a Yankee is an insult am I not entitled to not be called that just the same?
Apologising between brackets is a bit modest, isn’t it? It’s sad that you only realise that such names are considered derogatory if the Yankee-analogy is brought up. And yes, you are not entitled to be called a Yankee if you consider it an insult. It’s a collective insult, which can easily be understood as racist. Insults should be individual.
Regarding the P-40 issue……..at no point did I ever say it won the war so stop putting words into my mouth.
You only repeatedly (every month or so) climb on your P-40 soapbox, claiming it was an ‘incredibly important’ aircraft during WW2, which it wasn’t. A useful tool in keeping the enemy at bay until truely superior fighters emerged, yes. But somehow this and other arguments are ignored by you just as often as they are brought up. And even when you finally shut up, that very same soapbox is mounted a month or so later.
I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH!
I find it absolutely pathetic if people don’t realise what they are saying.
Rests to say, that i think you are completely right in mentioning this thread is taken far too seriously, and should be seen far more laxed. Like that hilarious wound-up kid who went completely ballistic when somebody mentioned Allied bombing raids, or having a nice unprovoked slur at Syria.
See what i mean?
Sammie, Kenneth,
Sorry guys, but the answers are all up now.
Kyrgyzstan indeed sold a pretty large number of Albatrosses, but these were all L 39C’s. Most went to private buyers though, i believe only the Lithouanians bought Kyrgyz Albatrosses for military use.
As for the Paris; it was actually designed as a trainer/touring aircraft (much like the Saab 105 actually), not really a bizjet.
Not enough to warrant the terrible color-editing above (will do so later, you guys still have a number of questions to answer), but…
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Su-17M2 vs Su-17M4 spine:
M2:
M4:
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Fiat/Aeritalia has a number of plants, but the 104’s were built at Torino-Caselle.
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Nope, it’s not the JSF either π
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Of course i ment military operators, sorry for not being clear. I think Hawkins & Powers still flies a few C-119s.
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Well, taking out of service means getting rid of ’em without the aircraft coming back. Jordan’s short F-104-less era in 67/68 was just a short dark time for the blind (but certainly not deaf!) local planespotters. Pakistan retired it’s Starfighters only in 1975 though. when the Mirage Vs got delivered.
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Nope, not Polish.
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Ex-German they are.
The RAF did take part in the raids on Kassel and Dresden, so i think we owe them just as much as the USAAF that nobody is speaking German there anymore :rolleyes:
New answers in green added.
The music will bring you straight back to the mid 1980s, when cheesy hair-rock was at it’s peak. Just in case i didn’t warn you…
The footage is great though. Poor Phantom.
I agree, we should all get of Phantom’s back for a while. He’s just having one of his periods again, all warm and fuzzy about the P-40 and the F-4 and thinking everyone is against him. And he is of course right: dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the final reasons for Germany to surrender and withdraw back to the Vaterland :confused:
The Yankee-name was derived from the vast number of Dutch colonialists from New Amsterdam and the rest of the current NY state area. Every second one of them was either called Jan or Kees -> enter Yankees. So if you’re not a Yankee, you must be a Honkie, a Dixie or maybe just even a Hick? Hillbillie? Injun?
Confederate? As for Ruskies, that’s a purely American name. I never heard it used by somebody else.
Almost all of them were scrapped under various military treaties (like CFE), which forced them to be both completely de-militarised and totally destroyed. So there would simply have been very little to sell. Besides, it was pretty difficult finding customers for those aircraft because in the early 1990s the whole world suddenly began downsizing. There hardly was a market for those aircraft, and the treaties dictated that a certain quantity had to be scrapped.
This doesn’t mean some former Soviet aircraft were sold, but most were pretty new like the ex-Belarus MiG-29s and Su-25s which went to Peru, very small scale like the Kirgyz L39s sold to Lithuania, or downright shady like the Kazak MiG-21 which went to North Korea or the Moldovan MiG-29s to the US. There were a few other deals, but nothing really substantial.
Selling pieces of the scrapped planes as spares couldn’t be done either, since none of the manufacturers of the spares could guarantee the quality of those parts coming from scrapped aircraft – obviously, it would be impossible to certify a certain part if you don’t even know which aircraft it came from. The only country to buy scrap-as-spares was India, which eventually became somewhat of a scandal.
Originally posted by Gavin.O
Arthur, have you ever seen information about the VJ-101’s endurance or weapon load? Just curious.
There is an article on German jet VTOL in Wings of Fame #5, but quickly browsing through it didn’t show any such info. While the VJ-101s were originally ment to be full prototypes for a new VTOL fighter, they eventually became pure test machines so i guess endurance or weapons load just wasn’t important.
Nope, it was the German tilt-jet. VJ-101 X1 went supersonic in July 1964 in a shallow dive as it didn’t have afterburners. X2 had burners, but i’m not sure if that one went supersonic in level flight.
The Mirage IIIV was the fastest VTOL aircraft ever though, with M2.04 clocked in 1966. The Yak-41 was flown up to M 1.7, but with a fully developed R79 it could probably have gone faster than that.
Unless of course it was carrying troops for the imminent invasion of America… http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/pics/holloman.htm
Unfortunately no answer from the Fluglehrzentrum Holloman yet π
So the possible units would be:
326OVE, Bataysk (pretty unlikely though, it’s only an independent squadron).
55OBVP, Korenovsk
487OVP BU, Budyonnnovsk
Hey, I’ve seen one of those before. Wasn’t allowed to take any pictures at the time though π
Hey, it’s a Dutch aircraft. If taking pictures is not allowed, i’m sure it’s condoned π