The Australian and Croatian PC-9s indeed have different tailfins. This is because the Aussie ones are basic PC-9s, whereas the Croatians are PC-9M aka PC-9-II. The latter use the design upgrade the US bought with the T-6. They are easy to keep apart, the original PC-9’s only have one kink in the fin’s leading edge, whereas PC-9M/II’s have two.
Don’t forget that the L159B is an up-end jet trainer, with loads of systems already being part of the whole package. You can’t compare it with a true basic jet trainer like the TS.11, T-37 or CM170.
The only basic jet trainers currently in production i can think of are the K-8 and (not yet in production, but running-up) India’s IJT. I don’t think it would be impossible to get one of those, but why would you if you can get a low-hour L39 (former-Soviet, Czech, Bulgarian, Romanian, Lybian… they come from all over the place) or higher-hour but even cheaper L29, CM170 or Paris (you can take two more friends along with that one)?
Here is one of the Thunderchiefs i was talking about – Cherry Girl. You can just make out the door of the refuelling receptacle.
Pilotgrtvrdrmm,
Parlez Anglais s’il vous plaît.
As for Rafale production: since when is the Dassault plant at Argenteuil capable of turning out full aircraft? Sub-assemblies are made there, the whole assembly and final production of Dassault fighters is at Merignac. At least when i was at Merignac, there were a few Rafale M’s on the production line. If there aren’t any now as Steve says, then it would indeed seem that Rafale production has been suspended.
Oh, and please do provide us with the serials/codes of the CEAM Rafales. I’m sure the friendly gendarmes in the forests of Mont-de-Marsan and you get along just fine.
If anyone hasn’t been convinced yet, you better take Haley serious on this one. Negative rhetorics and self-denials aside, here is a video of good old Haleyoneshoemak together with Edisonone singing their appraisal about all that lunar stuff.
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/
Originally posted by mike currill
The GR’s are not a lot better, that’s what we had arrive at Wildenrath….
You mean when 17sqn was based at Wildenrath back in 1991?
At least two F-105 Thunderchiefs bring the whole idea of laydeez- without-clothes-painted-on-aircraft to a whole new level (i leave it up to you if that’s a high or low).
I believe i’ve got a pic of one of them back home, but i’m sure words like refuelling receptacle and flying boom will be well-understood here…
Hehehe… in 1995 it still flew, and accidentally right into my field of view!
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Nope, it was not the Tu-22RDM (which indeed had new recce gear, but in the normal places: nosecone and bomb bay), but the Tu-22RDK. The one aircraft confirmed to have been built should still be on charge with the Ukrainian AF from Nezhin, unfortunately i don’t know if any others have been built as well. I was lucky enough to see 19r for real at Nezhin in 1997 (that bulge is definately ugly!), but my peek at the incredible Blinder storage at Engels a year earlier was from too far away to distinguish any variants at all.
A drawing of it is at http://legion.wplus.net/guide/air/b/tu22rdk-1.jpg , i should be having a lovely grainy toilet-paper photo as well back home. I’ll try to find it.
I would say it is a Flanker. It’s the only vertical tail i can think of with that shape. also, if you look immediately above the opened canopy of the second Su-25, you see something which IMHO is the Flanker’s canopy. I blame the rest of the nose being invisible on the poor quality of the photograph more than anything else.
Re: On the occasion of my 250th posting – my turn for a QUIZ!
#8 – name a tracked cargoplane (exact designation)
Got it! A C-82 Packet, a pic is at http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1191/c82tractor.gif
#9 – first ever shootdown of a multi-engine jet by a enemy jetfighter. Name date, airplanes involved, location
On second thoughts i guessed a MiG-15 vs a 77sqn RAAF Meteor over Korea could be the answer, but when i started browsing through the ACIG lists i came across this one:
December 4th 1950, Soviet MiG-15 (29GvIAP) shooting down USAF RB-45C 48-015.
#13 – name five helicopters with multiple piston-engines
The ones which made production as far as i can think of are the Yak-24, Ka-26, CH-37 Mohave and Bristol Belvedere. And then i’m afraid i have to enter the realms of obscurity (as if i would mind). So then let’s add the Convertawings Model A (US quad-rotor experimental helo of the mid/late 1950s). One particularly odd example i can think of was that airship/zeppelin with four H-19 or H-34 fuselages attached to it, but i think that one would be a bit too weird of an answer 😀
#14 – first testflight of an intercontinental missile. Name type, date.
Hmm… considering the A4b was only a cover-up designation for the projected intercontinental but officially cancelled A9 missile, i think the launch of an A4b from Peenemuende on January 8th 1945 could count, but it’s a reach. The A4b as flown wasn’t much more than a winged A4 (better known as the V-2 of course) and even if it’s launch would have gone right, would probably have not gone further than 750 kilometres or so. Multi-staged long-ranged missiles from the A9 project were launched in the US later on, so i guess it would qualify as a test flight.
#15 – name the first German Luftwaffe pilot flying supersonic below sea level (FL000), plus month & year, type and location
I assume Wolfgang Ziese did fly for the Luftwaffe prior to his wonderful career as a PoW test pilot for the Soviets… So would i be correct in thinking about the 346 rocket plane? First powered flight was in 1948, but i don’t know where. The ground level in the Kapustin Yar/Akhtubinsk are is below normal sea level though, which gives me some confidence here.
Re: On the occasion of my 250th posting – my turn for a QUIZ!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Distiller
[B]Feigning reasons for a quiz …
My answers
(good idea on this colour thing, Distiller. Doing a quiz layout is terrible!)
#2 – name operational single-engine fighter that was also operational as a multi-engine fighter
The Fiat G91. In single-engined form it flew in the G91R and G91T series, but the Italians also used the twin J85-engined G91Y. The Y in the designation was a reference to the intake ducting: one intake feeding two engines.
#5 – name the southernmost airfield ever regulary served by the US Navy. Where is it, which unit?
Well, the actual airfield is probably Christchurch, New Zealand. From there Navy aircraft flew to primarily McMurdo in the Antarctic, but i’m not sure if you can call a a massive field of packed snow a real airfield. The unit was VXE-6, aircraft involved were of all breeds from C-117s, C-121s to more mundane Hueys and LC-130s. The task was taken over by the NY ANG with their LC-130s in 1999.
#6 – USAF’s first unit flying F/A-22A. Which unit, where is their homebase, who is the current CO?
Well, the 57th FW flies it as well as the 412th TW. To be very precise it is not the 57th FW, it is the 53rd TEG. But what I really meant was PeeAnt’s Tyndell AFB, LtCol Jeffrey Harrigian, 43rd Fighter Squadron 325th FW.
#7 – name the smallest manned jetfighter
McDonnell XF-85 “Goblin” Parasite Jet Fighter. Was said to handle pretty well for it’s size, although imposible to hook-up again due to turbulences from the B-36. PeeAnt again. The Silver Bullet is not a fighter.
James Bond used a BD-5J in the fighter role…
#8 – name a tracked cargoplane (exact designation)
A cargoplane? I only know of a bomber (B-36), a fighter (P-40) and a Piper Cub. I would know two cargoplanes with air cushions though 😉
#9 – first ever shootdown of a multi-engine jet by a enemy jetfighter. Name date, airplanes involved, location
I would guess this is the P4M-1Q Mercator of VQ-1 shot down by PLAAF MiG-15s off the coast on August 23, 1956? Apart from the two piston engines, the Mercator did of course also have two jets…
More to come.
Originally posted by Steve Touchdown
P.S. You got me on the Twin Bastan. Interesting that the thinking behind this resulted in the Puma, apparently.
Even more interesting if you realise this is a prime example of parallel development. If you agree with me that the basic difference between the Puma and the H-34 is that the cockpit and engine have switched places (turbine engines being of course a whole lot smaller than a nice big radial piston), and then suddenly remember that both the Mi-8 and Z-6 (wonderfully ugly Chinese Mi-8-ish machine) were derived in a similar fashion from the Mi-4/Z-5…
Thanks for the heads-up on the TNI-AU helo. Didn’t know they still had TurboChoctaws in service!
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PA, you’ve got it. The A-10 record-breaking aircraft was a stripped-down up-tuned Mi-24 Hind-A. Indeed, this Hind was prepared especially for this much like the Streak Eagle, Sukhoi P-42 (that Su-27) and a few other ones, but those might be future questions 🙂 I don’t think i have any pics of it, unfortunately.
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e – Sean has got this one right: the first ‘Wild Weasel’ (this was a USAF phrase, the SEAD mission with the USN was called Dead Hand) variant of the Intruder was the A-6B. It did pave the way for some of the EA-6A’s systems.
h – As Sean noted, the F-104D-gone-German was the F-104F. This was basically a stopgap aircraft to give the Luftwaffe some training capability on the F-104 before the F-104G series was available in large enough numbers. Thirty F-104F’s were built by Lockheed, all went to the Luftwaffe which flew them with WS10 from Nörvenich.
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d – Gando is the name i wanted.
e – Distiller, just adding the T-4 would have been enough. The Mu-2 and UH-60J fly with the Base Flight aka Nyutabaru Kyunantai.
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UC-123 is what i wanted to read.
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Yes, it was EC-121M BuNo 135749/PR-21 of VQ-1 shot down by
North Korean MiGs. One for Sean. The North Korean communique claimed it to have been downed either “with one stroke” or “with one shot” depending on the translation. More on the incident at http://www.willyvictor.com/History/Korean_Shootdown/Korea.html
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Leave it to a planespotter to answer a question like this! Steve has got ’em: Poland still operates the An-2 in considerable numbers, while the EPA has a bunch of G.164 AgCats flying from Tatoi for RANCH HA… euh, crop spraying/dusting work.
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Well, i had to make up for the Mirage question… Correct answers by Distiller and Steve again: the S.58T (i reckon you mean Thailand, Steve? It’s tasked with CSAR over there) and the H-34 Twin Bastan (as was it’s designation).
Good going so far!
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a – Apache
****Ant and Distiller have both
b – Blackhawk or Black Hawk
Apart from the two Sikorski helos, ****Ant has got the XP-87
c – Cobra
Frank’s YF-17 and Distiller’s P-39, still one obvious one…
d – Eagle
Distiller’s got it, the Fischer P-75 and the F-15ABCD
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Explain how a number of speed records were broken by the A-10 in the mid-1970s.
PA is very warm
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a – Martlett
Obviously, the F4F Wildcat
b – Tarpon
TBF or TBM (depending on factory) Avenger
c – Washington
The B-29. Not quite a B-50 yet, Frank!
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a – Delta Dagger modified as target drone
Distiller has got the correct one – PQM-102 rather than the more obvious QF-102
b – Tupolev Blinder with a SLAR bulge glued to the side of the fuselage.
Not Tu-22P…
c – Targeting version of the Kamov Hormone helicopter.
Hormone B is the correct ASCC designation, now the proper one
d – Czech-built IL-14 with glass nose for aerial photography.
Av14 is correct, now the suffix…
e – Intruders modified to launch AGM-78 missiles.
There was one before the EA-6A…
f – Skytrain (aka Dakotas) with side-firing guns as originally delivered to the USAF.
It was only called AC-47 after some complaints. Initially it had a different designation
g – T-28s modified by the French for COIN warfare
Fennec indeed
h – F-104D modified for Germany.
This was not the TF-104G, which had a strengthened airframe and other modifications which made it a real two-seat F-104G. It’s another variant
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a – 555 FS
F-16C-40 at Aviano
b – 555 OKPLVP
Naval, but not Russian
c – EC 04.033
Oui, c’est Djibouti. I’m more picky about the variant though.
d – 462 Escuadrón
Canary Islands is correct, but the name of the airbase hasn’t been given yet. The jury is appearantly in a very picky mood today, so no points yet.
e – Hiko Kyodotai
It’s indeed the Japanese agressor squadron at Nyutabaru. There is another aircraft in service than just the F-15J/DJ though.
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What were the RANCH HAND missions, and by what aircraft were they flown?
[b]It was defoliant-spraying indeed, and it was the Provider which had this nasty job. What was the exact C-123 variant?[b]
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a – Boeing B-47
Canada, correct
b – Beriev Be-6
The PRC. A number was still seen operational this summer!!!!
c – Buccaneer
South Africa indeed
d – Pilatus P.3
The Brasilian Navy, forgetting to be picky for once 😉
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When was the first bombing raid on Berlin during WW2, by what airforce, what aircraft, what pilot and from what base?
Kudos for that one Distiller! The only additional thing you could have added was that the bomber was named Jules Verne, but considering there was only one NC.223 bomber (the rest were mailplanes) that would have been a bit superfluous.
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What aircraft was “dispatched with one shot” on April 14th 1969?
Nope, it was something bigger than an O-1. The one-shot quote doesn’t necessarily have to be true. In fact, considering the aircraft involved and the country making the claim it is most certainly a horrendous lie.
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a – Mirage F1
b – Mirage 2000
c – Balzac
It was too easy indeed
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What was remarkable about the Su-24 prototype?
Indeed, the fixed geometry wings which were quite like those on the TSR.2, including the wingtips pointing downwards. This was obviously something the TSR.2 stole from the An-12, by the way!
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What biplanes are in use with what NATO countries?
The An-2 is correct, but the Baltic states aren’t in NATO yet. So another operator. Also, Greece has been mentioned but not with the correct aircraft.
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The Wessex is a well-known turbine variant of the Sikorski S58/H-34. Name two other turbine-powered Chocktaws.
Distiller, those are all regular piston-powered helos. However, some were modified and recieved another designation/nickname, including some still in military use to this day. I’m looking for those.
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Before 1962, the SH-3 Sea King had the designation HSS-2. One export customer kept using this designation throughout the operational career of this helo. Which country?
Japan indeed
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Name all places where F-104s were built.
Distiller aced this one.