The WMD’s are now being flown in to be put in place 😀
(Webmaster, i really really really want that devil icon back!)
The WMD’s are now being flown in to be put in place 😀
(Webmaster, i really really really want that devil icon back!)
Originally posted by skythe
Oh please, don’t play so dumb. The above article does not question these people’s “actions”- it doubts their their very loyalty to the state which they have been serving for dozens of years, their very credibility. It is ugly slander, based not on their “actions” but on their political opinions, asserting that by being Zionist they are in effect serving a foreign government, and are doing something that is not in the interest of their state.
Actually, Skythe, if you for argument’s sake agree (or at least pretend 😉 ) that Iraq did not pose a threat to the US, you may ask why then the US did resort to invading an independent country. The article above gives a possible explanation that the pro-Israeli neoconservatives in the Bush administration have pushed for it – after all, not even i disagree that Saddam’s government was rather hostile to Israel.
I immediately admit that the evidence for this position is quite circumstantial, but it does give one possible explanation of the hostility of the current US government against Saddam’s, and the equally unfriendly rhetorics against Iran and Syria whereas a country like North Korea -which poses a far greater threat to at least the US, and with a leader probably even more hideous- is being put on the backbench with all sorts of lame excuses about China and having to cooperate with the region etcetera etcetera.
When comparing the Iraq/Iran/Syria side of the Axis of Evil, the ‘region’ which is so important in North Korea’s case is considered completely irrelevant by the US – unless you count in Israel’s position towards these three countries.
Again, this is no evidence whatsoever for there being a Zionist conspiracy behind this war, but it could give people the impression that there is a certain pro-Israeli context somewhere in the background. And as long as the ‘peace road map’ for the Israeli/Palestine conflict which was promised by Bush a long time ago doesn’t emerge, i don’t think this impression is likely to disappear.
Originally posted by skythe
Oh please, don’t play so dumb. The above article does not question these people’s “actions”- it doubts their their very loyalty to the state which they have been serving for dozens of years, their very credibility. It is ugly slander, based not on their “actions” but on their political opinions, asserting that by being Zionist they are in effect serving a foreign government, and are doing something that is not in the interest of their state.
Actually, Skythe, if you for argument’s sake agree (or at least pretend 😉 ) that Iraq did not pose a threat to the US, you may ask why then the US did resort to invading an independent country. The article above gives a possible explanation that the pro-Israeli neoconservatives in the Bush administration have pushed for it – after all, not even i disagree that Saddam’s government was rather hostile to Israel.
I immediately admit that the evidence for this position is quite circumstantial, but it does give one possible explanation of the hostility of the current US government against Saddam’s, and the equally unfriendly rhetorics against Iran and Syria whereas a country like North Korea -which poses a far greater threat to at least the US, and with a leader probably even more hideous- is being put on the backbench with all sorts of lame excuses about China and having to cooperate with the region etcetera etcetera.
When comparing the Iraq/Iran/Syria side of the Axis of Evil, the ‘region’ which is so important in North Korea’s case is considered completely irrelevant by the US – unless you count in Israel’s position towards these three countries.
Again, this is no evidence whatsoever for there being a Zionist conspiracy behind this war, but it could give people the impression that there is a certain pro-Israeli context somewhere in the background. And as long as the ‘peace road map’ for the Israeli/Palestine conflict which was promised by Bush a long time ago doesn’t emerge, i don’t think this impression is likely to disappear.
No Snapper, we’re not accused for being antisemitic because we’re against this war. We’re only antisemitic if we think that part of the neoconservative clan behind Bush (you know, the Prez’ external brain) are supportive of Israel.
:rolleyes:
No Snapper, we’re not accused for being antisemitic because we’re against this war. We’re only antisemitic if we think that part of the neoconservative clan behind Bush (you know, the Prez’ external brain) are supportive of Israel.
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by PhantomII
I recently saw footage of a large statue of Saddam Hussein being toppled and when it fell there was a huge cheer from the crowd. Then, tons of Iraqi’s jumped on top of it and cheered even louder. Gee, I guess the United States really is evil. Making these oppressed people happy again. Boy, aren’t we just awful?
Well, i guess congratulations are in place. Although the fighting is not over yet, the fighting has been far less destructive and costly on behalf of the civilian population than i feared.
And the gesture in which that US Marine used the American flag to wipe the pigeon sh!t from Saddam’s statue just before that statue was dragged down was exactly the kind of ‘victoire modeste’ i did not expect.
Originally posted by PhantomII
I recently saw footage of a large statue of Saddam Hussein being toppled and when it fell there was a huge cheer from the crowd. Then, tons of Iraqi’s jumped on top of it and cheered even louder. Gee, I guess the United States really is evil. Making these oppressed people happy again. Boy, aren’t we just awful?
Well, i guess congratulations are in place. Although the fighting is not over yet, the fighting has been far less destructive and costly on behalf of the civilian population than i feared.
And the gesture in which that US Marine used the American flag to wipe the pigeon sh!t from Saddam’s statue just before that statue was dragged down was exactly the kind of ‘victoire modeste’ i did not expect.
May i remind you that milk by nature is a liquid? Waiting for the stuff to clog and then eating it isn’t natural.
As far as i’m concerned, GZYL is right. Melted on a pizza or burger or tosti it’s nice, but otherwise i can’t eat the stuff. Except a little bit of goat’s cheese in a shopska salad.
May i remind you that milk by nature is a liquid? Waiting for the stuff to clog and then eating it isn’t natural.
As far as i’m concerned, GZYL is right. Melted on a pizza or burger or tosti it’s nice, but otherwise i can’t eat the stuff. Except a little bit of goat’s cheese in a shopska salad.
Cote d’Or Sensations 86%. Even better than all those still-good-but-where’s-the-cocoa 70% bars. Which includes the (again Cote d’ Or) Noir de Noir-series.
As with booze, it’s the percentage that counts. I want chocolate. Cocoa butter. Not peanut or sunflower-oil, but cocoa.
If i want some flavour added to the chocolate, please let it be orange. Orange with milk chocolate is great from Droste, while again Cote d’ Or has the best black chocolate with orange: Sensations Orange.
Cote d’Or Sensations 86%. Even better than all those still-good-but-where’s-the-cocoa 70% bars. Which includes the (again Cote d’ Or) Noir de Noir-series.
As with booze, it’s the percentage that counts. I want chocolate. Cocoa butter. Not peanut or sunflower-oil, but cocoa.
If i want some flavour added to the chocolate, please let it be orange. Orange with milk chocolate is great from Droste, while again Cote d’ Or has the best black chocolate with orange: Sensations Orange.
Well, the Americans sure have a reputation…
Just after the last Gulf War, American troops found a few aircraft on one of the southern airbases in Iraq. So they radioed to HQ to ask what to do with it.
HQ: “What kind of aircraft is it?”
Troops: “Dunno, it’s kaynda small y’naaw”
HQ: “Then just get rid of it”
To great joy of the troops, they tossed a few handgranades into the cockpit.
Unfortunately, after a while, it was discovered that they actually blew up a MiG-29, an aircraft for which the US was still looking for hands-on intelligence. Eventually they did take the nose with the radar with them, but it would of course be nicer if the whole pilot/radar interface would have been complete… :rolleyes:
I’m holding my breath for the Twin Pioneer. Rare as it is.
That was only one lesson…
… hence you both should not have used the plural form of ‘lesson’ (being: ‘lessons’), neither should you have resorted to the ‘some’ which also indicates multiple lessons. I guess we’re even?
Care to back up the gunshot wounds which according to you she did have? The most recent reports i could find indicate that she didn’t…
One of many dated April 4th:
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Jessica had no gunshot wounds: father
April 04, 2003
THE father of rescued prisoner of war Jessica Lynch today said she suffered no gunshot or knife wounds at the hands of her Iraqi assailants, contrary to reports quoting a US official.
In a televised press conference from his home in Palestine, West Virginia, Gregory Lynch said he and his wife had spoken to her after she underwent surgery at a US military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany.
An examination revealed the 19-year-old private had “no multiple gunshot wounds or knife stabs” Mr Lynch said, adding that there had been “no entry whatsoever”.
The Washington Post, citing a US official, reported that Jessica Lynch had “continued firing at the Iraqis even after she sustained multiple gunshot wounds and watched several other soldiers in her unit die around her in fighting (on) March 23”.
Mr Lynch said: “The doctor has completed one surgery on her back. They have released the pressure on a nerve and realigned all the discs and put plates and stuff in it.”
The surgery was performed “because she didn’t have any feeling in her feet”, Mr Lynch said, and doctors were confident they had corrected the problem.
He said she would undergo further surgery for fractures to her legs and right forearm, adding: “She’s in real good spirits.”
A supply clerk with the 507th Maintenance Company, Ms Lynch was rescued in a pre-dawn raid on an Iraqi-held hospital in Nasiriyah, where she had been held for more than a week.
Iraqi forces ambushed Ms Lynch’s company after it took a wrong turn last month near Nasiriyah, a city in Iraq’s south.
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That was only one lesson…
… hence you both should not have used the plural form of ‘lesson’ (being: ‘lessons’), neither should you have resorted to the ‘some’ which also indicates multiple lessons. I guess we’re even?
Care to back up the gunshot wounds which according to you she did have? The most recent reports i could find indicate that she didn’t…
One of many dated April 4th:
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Jessica had no gunshot wounds: father
April 04, 2003
THE father of rescued prisoner of war Jessica Lynch today said she suffered no gunshot or knife wounds at the hands of her Iraqi assailants, contrary to reports quoting a US official.
In a televised press conference from his home in Palestine, West Virginia, Gregory Lynch said he and his wife had spoken to her after she underwent surgery at a US military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany.
An examination revealed the 19-year-old private had “no multiple gunshot wounds or knife stabs” Mr Lynch said, adding that there had been “no entry whatsoever”.
The Washington Post, citing a US official, reported that Jessica Lynch had “continued firing at the Iraqis even after she sustained multiple gunshot wounds and watched several other soldiers in her unit die around her in fighting (on) March 23”.
Mr Lynch said: “The doctor has completed one surgery on her back. They have released the pressure on a nerve and realigned all the discs and put plates and stuff in it.”
The surgery was performed “because she didn’t have any feeling in her feet”, Mr Lynch said, and doctors were confident they had corrected the problem.
He said she would undergo further surgery for fractures to her legs and right forearm, adding: “She’s in real good spirits.”
A supply clerk with the 507th Maintenance Company, Ms Lynch was rescued in a pre-dawn raid on an Iraqi-held hospital in Nasiriyah, where she had been held for more than a week.
Iraqi forces ambushed Ms Lynch’s company after it took a wrong turn last month near Nasiriyah, a city in Iraq’s south.
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