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  • in reply to: Pakistan Air Force Thread 4. #2310193
    Rookh
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    Yes … and even more impressive on the new twin-launcher pylons …. besides that even if we’ve seen the PL-12 on the J-10, on operational birds the older PL-11 was more common, whereas the PL-12 was at first sent to the J-8F units.

    Reagrding the foto date, as far as I know they were taken last week during the latest J-20 taxi-tests showing the open brake.

    Deino

    Thanks for the pic Deino, certainly is interesting to see twin rail launchers on the J-10, don’t think this has been seen before? I think the JF-17 has been shown with twin rail launchers, but as Vikas says, only with dumb bombs attached. It’s also interesting that the JF-17, J-10 and J-20 are being tested/developed at the same facility together. I would have thought that given the sensitive nature of the J-20, this would be tested at a seperate facility from the other two? Especially considering that there is a high likelyhood of some Pakistani personnel being present for the JF-17 and perhaps the J-10?

    Added later: Something was bugging me, so did a google search. It appears that huitong put a pic of JF-17/SD-10 in flight a while back… that site seemsto be down at the moment though.

    Vikas, I found this recent video showing some form of testing/development work on the SD-10. I’m not sure if those pics are from Kamra, which the video claims, but it shows both Pakistani and Chinese personnel.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6VM5vKv_m4&feature=related

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force Thread 4. #2310348
    Rookh
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    I think that’s SD-10 on J-10 too.

    Indeed it is, but we’re quite used to seeing SD-10s on J-10s by now. Until now, I don’t think there’s been a pic of the JF-17 with SD-10s?

    IIRC the PAF chaps at Farnborough were saying the integration work should have been completed by end of last year or early this year. Not sure when that pic was taken.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force Thread 4. #2310420
    Rookh
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    JF-17 with SD-10

    http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad50/nexeltroop/juvi8n.jpg

    http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad50/nexeltroop/m9ab86.jpg

    in reply to: argentinian air force #2310571
    Rookh
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    How about going all Swedish and opting for the Gripen? There may be earlier surplus airframes from the Swedes that could be upgraded for the immediate future, and then opting for perhaps license assembly of Gripen NG? If funds allow, perhaps throw in a few Erieyes as well?

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force Thread 4. #2311704
    Rookh
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    Never mind, but IMO – like Saeed Khan said – this is most likely psed !

    If You look closely the colours on the tail esp. around the panther is different. … but anyway thanks.

    Deino

    There is this news piece, but no artwork on the tails of the aircraft pictured.

    http://www.key.aero/view_news.asp?ID=3076&thisSection=military

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force Thread 4. #2311712
    Rookh
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    PS: I think that RMS Azam, the person who did the interview is a reliable source and it may as well have been against the RAF pilots for all we know. If the pilot said it, and if we can get RMS Azam to have faithfully reproduced it, I think its worth believing.

    Whoever this RMS Azam chap is, he obviously failed to perform any background research or to verify the claims of the PAF pilot, if indeed he did actually interview one. Since the PAF and RAF have never been at AE at the same time, under what other conditions is his claim ‘worth believing’?

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force Thread 4. #2312283
    Rookh
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    Wasn’t 113 transfered from 26 sqn to 16 sqn as part of some reshuffle of the JF-17 allocation amongst the squadrons?

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force Thread 4. #2312383
    Rookh
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    From the previous thread;

    Originally Posted by Deino
    Just a question after I received the JF-17-supplement from the latesst AFM yesterday.

    Does anyone have a photo of a No. 16 Sqn. bird with its markings (on the tail again ?) ???

    We all know the “spiders” from the No. 26 Sqn.. quite well but from the other unit ????

    Thanks in advance, Deino

    Sorry Deino, missed this previously. This is what I could find;

    http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv14/SalmanHaider09/BlackPanthers.jpg

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread V #2312907
    Rookh
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    Oh now its the PAF itself vs AMI instead of PAF exchange pilots in the TuAF vs RAF. Sorry but that story become more and more ridiculous.:rolleyes:

    Well based on what is certain, i.e. PAF F-16s and Italian Eurofighters being at the same 2008 AE, and on what Alan Warnes, former Editor of AFM has reported, it’s obvious the RAF Typhoon story is incorrect. That isn’t to say the 3-0 victory against the Italian Eurofighters is 100% true either, and Alan Warnes did say allegedly. It is still only based on details Alan Warnes has received from the PAF and his sources.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force Thread 4. #2313031
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    RAF pilots beaten by Pakistani F-16 pilots. good job!

    http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/2011/06/12/raf-eurofighter-typhoons-pilots-beaten-by-paf-f-16viper-pilots/

    That article is complete BS and an excercise in hubris.

    Regarding that so called ‘interview with a PAF pilot’, there’s no way it can be substantiated, and some of the claims seem far fetched, and perhaps artistic license of the truth.

    However, in the latest AFM edition, the article by Alan Warnes on the JF-17, he states that;

    “Without a Beyond Visual Range (BVR) capablity for most of the fleet, the PAF has perfected the art of Within Visual Range (WVR) combat – so much so that in the 2008 Excercise Anatolian Eagle, the PAF’s F-16s allegedly fleeced the Eurofighter with a three-out-of-three score in WVR combat.”

    The PAF deployed 6 F-16s in AE 2008, which also included a contingent of Italian Eurofighters. So the 3-0 WVR score of the PAF F-16s is actually referring to the Italian Eurofighters, and not the RAF Typhoons.

    http://www.f-16.net/news_article3110.html

    October 31, 2008 (by Asif Shamim) – Six Pakistani F-16s have deployed to Konya, Turkey to participate at Anatolian Eagle, a bilateral air exercise similar to Red Flag, starting November 3rd till the 14th.

    This will be the fourth time Pakistan has gone to Anatolian Eagle. Previously going in 2004, 2006 & 2007.

    The current exercise announcement coincides with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s official visit to Turkey.

    This will be the 4th exercise of the year. The first took place from April 28 – May 16 while the second was held on June 9-20 and the third session between September 8-16. The last session had participating jets from the United States, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and NATO.

    http://www.f-16.net/news_article3045.html

    September 8, 2008 (by Asif Shamim) – Exercise Anatolian Eagle 2008/3 a Turkish run multinational military air exercise started on Monday 8th and will run through September 16th.

    The USAF, AMF, IDF/AF and NATO join the exercise by sending jets to participate in the exercise at Konya airbase.

    The exercise gathered 16 F-16 jets from the United States, three Eurofighters from Italy, five F-16s and five F-15 jets from Israel and two AWACS from NATO

    This is the 3rd exercise of the year. The first took place from April 28th to May 16th while the second was held on June 9th and 20th, 2008 with the participating jets from Turkey, the United States, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and NATO.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94pwZCwlf5E

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2313440
    Rookh
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    Having said that, JF-17 is surely a potent machine with a great potential in future. It would surely see many upgrades over its life time, and one day would even surpass F-16 Blk 50+ in many areas. But if one wants all that hi tech stuff in JF-17 today, then it kills the whole aim of the entire project, which was and is, to develop a lightweight fighter that PAF can afford in required numbers.

    Although the JF-17 was designed to be a low cost solution, it has developed considerably over the course of its development to date. Take for example the structural and aerodynamic changes such as the LERX, DSI and tail, integrated EW suite, full glass cockpit, weapon integration, all of which add to the cost. It has come a long way from being a ‘simple, cheap, disposable BVR platform’, and if the changes to the Block-II turn out to be correct, such as further structural and aerodynamic changes to add better ‘stealth’ features, AESA radar (western or Chinese), further integration of western weapons, IFR, DRFM, then this will only add to the cost. However, I think the PAF/PAC have managed to keep costs down, while still being able to further develop the aircraft by sourcing Chinese avionics/RADAR and having a low cost manufacturing base. Remember, the PAC is effectively run and managed by the PAF, there’s no private company that has profits and shareholder equity as the priority.

    I think comparing the JF-17 to F-16 is still inappropriate, as the 2 aircraft are in a different weight class. However, the avionics and A2A capabilites of the JF-17 may develop to Block-50/52 standard, over time.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2313852
    Rookh
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    Not accurate. The avionics upgrade were done without IAF insisting for them.

    That’s quite surprising, for years you IAF fanboys have been banging on about how the constant development delays were due to the IAF continuing to ‘revise the ASRs’…and now the ‘upgrades’ of a still in development fighter are solely due to HAL and DODO?

    At any rate, the point remains, with most of the key capability inhouse, the refresh/upgrade rate for Indian aircraft and systems is superior to than can be achieved by PAC, unless it invests commensurately.

    That’s incorrect. Some of the major systems on the LCA, i.e. the engine and radar, still rely on fundamental foreign components, the US sourced F-404 IN20 engine and Israeli derived radar being just 2 major examples.

    Hardly. I am just pointing out that if the Chinese had indeed met the requirements, then there would have been no need to go to France, and now per recent reports, Italy.

    I suggest you read the AFM article again, it’s obvious the PAF were more than happy with the Chinese radar/avionics suite when considering the French option. Not sure how reliable the story regarding Italian radar/avionics is. IMO, the most likely upgrade route will be a Chinese derived AESA.

    Also, since you will be license assembling most of the key avionics systems, you cannot reverse engineer them to come up with modified local versions since that will constitute an IP violation, that ties you to the OEM supplier.

    How can the PAF, and PAC in particular, be ‘license assembling’ systems in which it has a 50% development stake in? Using that logic, it’s like saying the UK and BAE was license assembling the Panavia Tornado or the Eurofighter. The whole point about the JF-17 is that it transfers technology over to Pakistan to allow customisation for PAF requirements, for example, integration of the H-2, H-4, MAR-1 and Raad, and perhaps in the future, other A2A missiles.

    Coming to comparisons – my point is fairly simple. The JF-17 still has a ways to go to mature, as you admit, so it is premature to count on it as the BVR workhorse.

    Read the AFM article again. The SD-10 will be the primary BVR weapon, with other BVR options still being considered by the PAF. The negative points you incorrectly (or intentionally) keep on reiterating, such as ‘Chinese avionics not being up to scratch, therefore the PAF have to look elsewhere’, have actually been cited as an advantage for the JF-17, i.e. to keep open other options. Again, in the AFM article, the open architecture nature of the JF-17 allows it to be updated easily, I quote;

    “The avionics and weapons interface with a modern MIL 1553/1760 databus mission to allow the integration of a glass cockpit but much more importantly, the potential to expand the aircraft’s capabilities in line with a portfolio of Chinese and Western weapons. In addition to the SD-10A A2A missile, the PAF is looking at a Western BVR missile and avionics system which, if integrated, will elevate the JF-17 into a phenomenal air defence platform.”

    And…

    “While there are hopes that Western avionics will become available and integrated, the beauty of the JF-17 is that it never runs out of options. There is now a phased plan that will increase the level of Pakistani built co-developed Chinese avionics to 80% including assembly of the KLJ-7 radar at PAC Kamra”.

    in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2317738
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    JF-17/FC-1 with WS-13?

    http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/642/271167553818b8103e70e98.jpg

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2319441
    Rookh
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    A HD version of the JF-17 flight display in Turkey;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XL0e7H8BSY&feature=player_embedded#at=159

    And a PAF F-16A from 11 Sq (Arrows) performing in Turkey;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nOIBOKKz2c

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2321043
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