Any reason for the different paint scheme of the missiles?
IMO, it looks like a Gripen. However, what does it really matter if its a Rafale or Gripen? What exactly does it prove? That one is “better” than the other, based on a single HUD camera shot?! :rolleyes:
Wow, talk about reviving an old thread! 🙂
1. The presentation seems like a standard trade show talk.
If you ever bump into him say hi to him for me. :p
He was the right person at right time in 611. He works too hard. resilient as hell to carry through the project as he did on J-10.I am surprised CIA hasn’t tried to kidnap him or assasinate him at these trade shows… prob would set the chinese effort back 5 years. 🙂
2. “quadruplex digital ” etc describes the hardware side of things. what I am talking about is the the law. in JF-17 the lateral side is prob direct signal actuation, in the directional side prob just a yaw damper. J-10 prob is all digital.
imho, all digital is the way to go for FC-1/JF-17. you have most of the same hardware anyways it is not more difficult to host the extra functions in the hardware you already have. having a mixed system on some level actually cost complexity and headache.
anyways, the hw stuff on JF-17 should have some heritage from lear-siegler stuff. 🙂3. “Bend and Twist”… prob Diahedral of the wing and wing twist. wings are usually designed with twist as a function of span… usually the more you go out from the wing root, the wing chord has more a nose down angle.
“Differential Horizontal Tail”: elevarons. at high speed ailerons due to aeroelastic effects their effectiveness drop to nothing. elevator in the back is scheduled in to move differentially to generate rolling moment.4. He should stick to chinese and force all the journalist scramble to learn chinese. :p
i.e., as always, thanks for the insightful reply, always a pleasure reading your informative posts 🙂
I think its always been stated that a mixed digital/analogue FBW setup in the JF-17 was used to reduce costs, although as you’ve stated, given the similarity and precedent of the J-10, it wouldn’t have been too difficult and perhaps easier to simply use an all digital system. Perhaps a possible upgrade in future blocks?
Regarding the differential tail, I assumed it meant differential movement of the elevators, but wasn’t entirely sure as it’s quite surprising to see this feature on something “low cost” such as the JF-17.
Good stuff.
He was the FCS/ control law head on J-10.
Now the chief on J-20. head of 611 institute.
He must be a talented guy to work on so many high profile projects, and judging by his presentation, I can’t say I’m surprised. I actually saw him at Farnborough last year, he was at the PAF static display of the JF-17 🙂
item 2. JF-17 in pitch should have a system similar to J10. pretty much in normal ops pilot can pull back full aft stick and airplane would never stall.
I think the JF-17 has quadruplex digital FBW in pitch control only, and analogue FBW for roll and yaw. Does the J-10 have something similar or digital in all axis?
item 3. “distributed air data system”
http://www.goodrich.com/Goodrich/Businesses/Sensors-and-Integrated-Systems/Products/Air-Data-Products-and-Systems/Pitot-and-Pitot-Static-Probesyour total-airtemp, pitot-static and AOA/Sideslip probes are physically seperate probes but data is meld together to compute the total data set.
Thanks for clarifying, I wasn’t completely sure what was being referred to by the term.
Also, do you know what was meant by the term “Bend and Twist” in the wing layout and the “Differential Horizontal Tail”?
good stuff.
He should do the whole presentation in chinese and let a translator translate for the audience.
🙂
I think his English was quite good actually, and besides, maybe we should learn Chinese rather than expecting everyone else to learn English? 🙂
Doesn’t make sense at all, why would the Iranians be conducting a test of an alleged ICBM at an ammunition depot?! That’s just asking for an accident to happen, I don’t think the Iranians are that stupid.
Interesting presentation by the chief designer of the JF-17, Yang Wei.
Some key highlights…
1. Roadmap of future development at around 1:50; production of Block-2 aircraft in late 2012, production of Block-3 aircraft from 2016. Approx 10,000 flight sorties to date.
2. Flight characteristics at 4:00; care-free handling, STOL.
3. Advanced systems at 5:40; Digital FCS, distributed air data system (datalink?), modular mission computers.
4. Cockpit layout at 6:40; wide angle HUD, night vision capability, HMS/D.
5. Navigation suite at 7:20; laser INS/GPS hybrid NAV, TACAN, radar altimeter, digital moving map, low altitude IR NAV pod.
6. Radar specs at 8:36; only provides modes.
7. Comms at 9:20; ACMI and datalink with ground, naval and AEWAC.
8. ECM and self protection at 10:09; RWR, OESP, SPJ.
9. Load and stores at 11:00; can carry >4,000kg?!, 3 stores rated at >1,000kg, more weapons to be integrated.
10. Last slide at 12:13 shows further features to be added such as fixed IFR probe and pods, although sadly, no dedicated intake mounted pod hardpoint.
LOL all you’re doing is constantly changing the environment so it can suit your agenda of pushing for a modified A-5 for CAS.
Lets bring in reality here
LOL…it’s like a dog with a bone, he just won’t let go. Sadly, it seems reality is as much of an illusion for PLA-MKII as the mythical super duper A-5 in Pak army service. I think he’s been listening to the boy ‘genius’ munir over at pakdef too much.
A-5s are old. Pakistan retired them all.
Pakistan’s economy isn’t great, but it can obviously afford something like the JF-17.. one of the cheapest in production fighters in the market
Tank units don’t travel alone, they travel with anti aircraft units and air coverage above.
Its even more laughable that you want them to be used by the Pakistani Army.. how do you think they’ll operate them? on the grass? Q-5s need runways, hangars, and infrastructure for them. You think Pakistan is rich enough to give both the PAF and Pakistani Army those things? What makes you think PAF won’t oppose it, wanting to keep all fixed wing combat jets to themselves?
Do you think converting those old Q-5s to the way you want them will be cheap?
Thanks for spelling it out again for the nth time for PLA-MKII.
this thread is starting to sound like the time when you thought JF-17s for the Turkish Air Force was a feasible idea.
LOL…thanks for reminding, how could we forget.
Your one stop shop for all your military aviation needs 🙂 This could be the line up of the PAF in a few years; J7-PG, K-8, JF-17 and J-10 (excluding the J-20 of course!)
A medley of clips of the JF-17 at Dubai…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL4SS-I-Y3w&feature=related
Interesting to see the JF-17 landing without brake chute assistance at 8:30
Better video of the JF-17 at Dubai airshow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk7UipssLwA&feature=player_embedded
It seems the Martin Baker ejector seat worked ok, but the parachute failed to deploy?
RIP, sad loss indeed 🙁
I think he was one of the pilots who came to Farnborough last year, I spent some time talking with him, great guy and he provided some insightful details on the JF-17.
FC-1/JF-17 at Dubai Airshow.
FC-1/JF-17 taking off and landing with C-802A.