If they send the Raptor, then the USAF can prove the stealth concept. I mean wasn’t that the selling point, doing CAP’s without caring about airdefense ?:diablo:
T3A is an extended T2 production + some money for upgrading of earlier birds and T3B is a fiction of what the Tiffy could have been. :p
Correct. And I wouldn’t count on them either, if rumors of Omani interest in the Jets are true.
When does a jet transform from a paper jet into a real jet, in your opinion? At IOC?
I suspect the price of the F-35 will come down, due to the large numbers that will be ordered. However you are right the operating costs could be very high, mainly due to the VLO capabilities. LM claims that it is more robust than F-22, they are probably right, but still the costs could be very high. OTOH, as already stated operating two jets also adds some overhead. The UK could keep, say 50% of their F-35 in excellent conditions and use those for “day one” missions requiring stealth and use the other 50% for all other missions, perhaps that will keep operating costs down. All speculations at this stage, I know…
OTOH I guess that operating costs for Typhoon are also quite high, it is after all a twin-engine. Fuel costs would probably be comparable?
Well, I blame it on my bad english. What I meant was that for the UK it is a paper jet. There is only a plan to order it. As long as they are not paid for and delivered, I wouldn’t count on them as asset.
F-35 is a fast jet isn’t it ?
At the moment it is a paper jet. Let’s wait and see if the UK can afford to buy and sustain a mainingful number.
Even if Airbus didn’t win the contract, they more or less made sure that Boeing doesn’t make much of a profit with KC-X.
From German perspective I think Deci could be a good base for operations, too. Looking forward to nice pictures of Phoons over the Lybian desert.
Wait, isn’t it so that Poland wants to be kept under US ‘influence sphere’ (military protection)?
Corrected that for you.
Well, the other day I’ve been reading this:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/east-hampshire/navy_to_buy_new_aircraft_1_2437696
Then I thought didn’t they just pay a healthy amount of money to scrap factory new MPA’s ?
Swedish jets in India…secret trails?:diablo:
Delivery of Thai AF jets.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/223007/6-gripen-jets-land-await-official-handover
Jaguar and Mig 27 are mainly strike aircraft.Not CAS.Of which IAF has >200.The MKI is also tasked with strike besides air superiority.Previously IAF was criticized of being too strike heavy compared to other types but with the induction of the MKis the disparity has lessened.
Both Jaguar and MiG-27 are hoplessly outdated. ECM and range/payload charcteristics don’t qualify them as strike fighters anymore.
MKI’s are primarily tasked with air superiority and naval strike with Brahmos.
M2K’s will be quite decent strikers after their upgrade, but are relatively few in numbers.
What is totally lacking in the Indian inventory are dedicated ECM/SEAD birds.
I think it is not necessary to discuss the merits of each platform anymore. We already did this ad nauseum.
Let us just discuss which capabilities should be highter weighted then others.
I nominate deep strike and ECM as most useful capabilities.
With the available informations at hand, this clearly favours 2 aircraft, if we disqualify the F-16 IN for it’s lacking development potential.
Maybe we should discuss not only politics and endlessly the merits of each competitor but try to find out which type of aircraft the IAF lacks ?
Here is my take on the matter:
Light figher: covered with Tejas
Air superiority: covered with MKI/MiG 29 UPG
CAS: covered with Jaguar, MiG 27, M2K
Strike: partly covered with M2K
Therefore I would go with the best strike fighter of the lot. Shortlisting of Rafale and Shornet.
Final decision would depend on the commercial negotiations.
So what?
BAe will try to sell anything to anyone who might be persuaded to pay for it. Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. The British government (rightly) thought it was too expensive & too big a risk. If I was in charge of Indian procurement, I’d agree with it & tell BAe to sod off.
If you really want to navalise a land-based fighter, pick a different one. Gripen would be a much better bet.
Just out of couriosity: what are the reasons you think the Gripen ist better suited ? The take off distances are pretty similar for both aircraft.
Better low speed handling thanks to close coupled canards ?
Edit: do you have numbers for the stall speed of both aircraft ? My Google-Fu seems to be weak today.
Thanks for that article. Refreshing to read some informations without the usual marketing speak.
The new schedule looks realistic, and even offers the potential for good news, if the flight tests run better than expected.
Nethertheless BAe Systems offers now a Sea Typhoon to India…