Polands airforce was one of the strongest in the WP. While most other airforces where very small, and hat to choose between fighters and attack aircraft, Poland had the luxury to keep attack/strike aircraft.
And as such, the Su-22 is a very capable design.
I think it doesn’t mean anything for export customers, except you don’t get a $ 45 mio plane by 2012.
Partners in the JSF programme have signed for an A-model, and they get one. Maybe it gets a bit more expansive, will have some teathing problems, and will reach their forces not in the desired timeframe.
Just as in every other fighter programme since the 60’s. 😉
aurel i wasnt reffering to only this report but their overall stance in general.
I got no idea how the GAO has presented itself in the past.
However, we all know what happened with the Rapor. Limited serial production started, before the end of the flight tests.
With emerging design flaws, all of those new Raptors had to be modified. Not very cost effektive.
Today, these problems seem to be partly solved. Still I read they got limitations.
I got the impression, they got only a minor fix, because production has started. Without that early entry into the production phase, we would certainly see a better solution for the problem, even if that had delayed the programme.
In that light, I don’t know how to act. The “clean” solution would be to immediatly stop the Raptor production, do a mayor redesign and restart the production. The problem with this solution are the costs.
I’m quite happy somebody else has to decide in this case.
With that experience in mind, I wouldn’t repeat that procurement policy. If that means the JSF gets delayed, hell yes. Better then to gamble.
Just read the complete report, they even present the JSF-programme as the way ahead. Everything they demand is finishing the flight tests before starting series production.
In the Raptors case, the AF/LM found during the flight testing several parts that had to be redesigned.
GAO does not want to repeat this mistake. So-no big thing in my opinion.
Really sad story. I hope there will be full backup from other european states to support the integration into the airforces of our new eastern members.
So some to the baltics, other to Romania and Bulgaria or whoever wants them.
Anyway better then to scrap them.
My wet dreams for the Luftwaffe:
184 Typhoons. (4 additional) to form 3 Squadrons with 3 Wings and 4 remaining in Manching as development aircraft
seek for an european airlift command, similar to SALIS at the moment, equiped with new build, westernized An-124
60 new longrange strike aircraft. I would prefer an European solution, with technology taken from the Typhoon (Engines, ECM, Sensors)
6 new A330MRTT, first three additional, second batch to replace the existing A-310 after 2010
70 A-400M (no change)
seek for an european fighter training programme, as follow up on ENJJPT. (Gripen and PC-9)
participate in the replacement of the european AWACS fleet
For those joint programmes, numbers depend on numbers of particpating countries
Edit:
Helicopter:
62 NH-90 including 8 CSAR Variants (just let the options materialize)
Heer:
60 NH-90
120 Tiger (2×60) (including the upgrade to the “heavy concept” with a gun, uprated engines and additional ballistic protection)
Marineflieger:
20 Eurohawks for SIGINT belonging to the central command, but operated by the Marineflieger
20 CN-295 MPA for military use and evironment control
I think chances are not that high for €F:
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If they decide to fly longer around with their old junk, pardon F-4’s, they may have enough time to wait for JSF.
On the oher hand, a political solution could indeed be a splitted order. Since JSF will probably be not available before 2015 for them. Then add some time for delivery and we are somwhere around 202x . I doubt this is somehow economical. So, in my opinion €F as a stop gap, later on F-35.
There is a discussion in Germany to upgrade the Tiger later. Basically improved ballistic protection and the RMK-30 gun.
As always, the reason against it is the lack of money.
Iran vs. US air war.
Well, I would go for hundreds of MRBM’s and add a strikefighter. Su-30 or Su-34, depends on the weapons includet in the deal. As soon as a conflict becomes hot, pound everything within range where US-Fighters could take off from.
The Iraquis where stupid in ’91 to wait for the build up of coalition forces.
In case of Iran, I would not limit myself to one plane. Most probably I would go for a Flanker and J-10. The problem here: China is not an indepedent source. No J-10 without Russian parts. But at least, different sources to arm both aircraft.
So, which Flanker ? Su-30 or Su-34 ? I think that depends on the package IAPO/KnAPO have on offer.
If I have a look at the Gripen doubleseaters, then I ask myself why we don’t get them as replacement for Germany’s T-38.
Well, ENJJPT contract has been signed till 2010, but after that ?
What we have here are a few statements from an out-of-power opposition member, along with a hawkish amateur defense critic.
From the article:
Dr Jensen and Mr Fawcett raised their concerns with the Minister for Defence, Brendan Nelson, last month. Dr Jensen told the Herald yesterday he agonised before breaking with the discipline of the Howard Government to lodge his submission, but the issue was too important.
Kriegsmarine has been dissolved 60 years ago. Today the name is Bundesmarine.
Every German official would be slaughtered for using that name 😉
You may know, my english isn’t as good as I wish.
The complete story as I understand it, circles around lowered requirements, and rising costs.
This would mean the design goal of affordable stealth can’t be reached. Wether LM makes them more stealthy, or affordable.
To me, this is a more serious problem then the noise about tech-share. If stealthlevel gets lowered, while better radarsets become available, and costs are to high for many countries, to buy them in sufficient numbers…
Then the Raptor or “legacy-fighters” may have a brighter chance on the export market.
What is the intention behind this article ? What is the intention behind those “concerns” ? Are they lobbying for Raptors ? Or do they look for some publicity ? Could someone from the other side of the globe enlighten me ?