Aureli agree with you, i just wish i had the money to upgrade FAP’s M2k’s to -5 ( or perhaps -9?) and stockpile averything from A to Z, from MICAS to RDY-2 and whatever can wear and tear from nose to tail, not to get surprised again.
Let’s hope for you Brasil takes the M2K, then some problems could be solved via Embraer… And of course, you should have some spares in storage, at least for two years.
would you consider Russia a close ally of France?
No, not military wise. But Europe and Russia have strong economical relations. Much of our oil and gas comes from Russia, as well as many other raw materials. Further more, Russia has become a large market for western european goods.
AurelHey, politics aside, the French produce some really good hardware. Dassault’s aircraft have ever been very good multirole fighters. Make an good contract with Dassault, get some local maintenance capability and everything is fine. (Except you try to invade an close ally of France).
Aurelhum…of all the countries, Germany, Typhoon….what sarcasm, what shame…. I dont’ think many British feels so wonderful about German defense participations too…The point is, everybody will “b-i-t-c-h” to get what they want….and they should too, but to turn around and say…blah blah blah Germany
I didn’t say the British should rely on German politicians, especially Social Demokrats and Green Party. The British should do this on their own, IF they really get an downgraded version AND decide to withdraw from the JSF. But I would not be surprised if exactly the same German politicians that didn’t care about international reputation of their country, would take the chance to further reduce the armed forces. 😎
AurelRafale or…. 150 aircraft maybe even enough for a navalized Typhoon ? Maybe tranche three will be a navalized version ? I’m shure the green party of germany would love it. No additional purchase to replace the Marine-Tornados in 2012. Just tranche three redirected to the Marine. But on the other hand, those greens think shurely the redesign is for free…
Next question: are all those £2bn already spend ? I would assume yes. £2bn !! g-sus, for that much money the Typhoon would have been navalized, and we wouldn’t have to decide between the integration of Meteor/HMS and Brimstone/Stormshadow now. 😮
Edit: Even if this article is partly true, GB will stick to the programme, like all those ‘surprised’ international partners. In the end it’s nothing new. Look at the history of the Abrahms Tank and the Leopard 2. The U.S. proposed a joint project. In the end, we got now in our German tanks some (partly miserable) U.S. systems, while the U.S. decided to go only for indegenious systems. Oh, and of course, we had some tech-transfer from Kraus-Maffay-Wegmann to GD. (For free, because we had had this joint project…) :rolleyes:
Aurelhttp://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?t=19006&highlight=ASW+chopper
maybe you find some answers here…
AurelI got a totally different view of the things. Japan is now in a better situation then before the F-2 decisions. There are many good engines from different origins available now. The same for radars and other important systems. They can now look for an engine, ew-system and other stuff on the open market. The design and production of an airframe is not that expansive, the internal systems produce the lion’s share of costs. Since they don’t export weapons, it causes no problems to incorperate foreign hardware.
Aurel@ Boris, expansive plans, with some security options (Leo AND Abrahms, Strich AND Viper, for example)
Su-37 not good at the fighter stuff ??? What do you mean with that ? The only area I know where the Su-37 is not good is the maintenance. :confused:
Or do you speak about this Su-25 derivative ? (The Russians are somehow chaotic with their nomenclature)
RAH-66 ->cancelled
MiG-29 Multirole -> MiG-29 SMT or M2 ?
A-10 -> Shurely difficult to acquire, no active production line, from whom to get used ones ?
M-109 and M-113 ? No offence, but I think they are perfect for a museum !
AurelMiG 1.44 with French and Israeli Avionics for me please.
AurelIt seems that there is nothing comparable to the T-38 available or planned for the near future. The Mako seems to be dead, so what about a downgraded Gripen ? Compared to the Mako, or the T-38, it is in nearly the same class. It is easy to fly and has similar behavior like a Typhoon or Rafale. The airframe is proven and should be pretty cheap, so remove most of that electronic stuff, add an EJ-200/M-88, and you got the perfect trainer for every Typhoon/Rafale user.
AurelYes, but if my country would be a continental power, there would be no need for an amphibian. The focus would be more the support of my army. Therefore, a larger transport helicopter would make more sense to me.
And the S-80, well it is a really beautiful design. But I think it is only an aircraft for very large countries. It is pretty small, about the size of an large helicopter and therefore somehow similar. The available weapons increse this impression even more. It is not able to land vertically, on the other hand it got better range and speed than a chopper. So if you got an country with low infrastructure, and many bases spread over your country, it is shurely an excellent choice. I hope they find some customers for it. With their international partners, it should be no problem.
AurelYes but it does not exist though does it?
The ASW-variant is still a paper plane. But the fact, that it is an amphibian, gives great opportunities for cooperation with the navy.(And gives independence from airfields) If the country in your scenario would be no peninsula, I would completely dump the light transport plane and would invest in a larger helicopter. (probably NH-90 or Mi-17)
Aurel1)Gripen is not very suited to get down low and take the fire for CAS. You should really pick something like Su-39, AMX, A-10 or any Attack Helicopter.
Yes, but it is suited for getting target information via datalink and attack with stand-off weapons like DWS-39 and Brimstone. And why is the AMX more survivable than the Gripen ?
2)AFAIR Be-200 is not an ASW Aircraft and only can do Maritime Surveillance
Their are no Be-200 operational anywhere in the ASW role. That doesn’t mean that there is no variant offered. At the moment it would be able to hunt submarines.
3)I think another problem in your Airforce is that there are too many types and maintenance will be ok but commonality and so many types will mess it up.
Huh ?? I got only one Jetfighter and no addicted CAS Aircraft. The Be-200 and the EMB-145 can be ordered with Allison engines (not exactly the same, but similar), I got no expansive heavy military transporter, only modified civlian transport. (No extra infrastructure needed !) Further more, I got only one heli-type. (A pretty cheap one !) And the drohnes have only different sensors (recce and elint).
AurelAs defense is the priority, I would prefer SAM’s in the first place. New S-400 in large numbers. Additionally, I would buy used Roland Systems from France and Germany. Many manpads should make their cobras useless. Some Czech Vera-E systems to counter ECM.
Meanwhile I would build up a small airforce.
EMB 314 -The Tucano is an excellent basic/advanced trainer, it can be used for CAS, even heli-chasing is possible, and it is pretty cheap.
JAS 39 -The Gripen will be the workhorse of my airforce. It will do interception, CAS and maritime strike. Weapons will include the whole arsenal of the Swedish and South African Gripens. This will give some independence. Maintainance is pretty easy, and it is easy to fly. Exactly what is needed to train new personal.
EMB 145 -excellent small platform, perfect with the Gripen (TILDS)
Be 200- two variants. ASW and transport only. As amphibian very versatile, can carry the best (Russian) ASW-weapons.
A330 MRTT- Should be good enough as transporter/tanker/flying hospital. As there is no need for expeditionary warfare, a ‘real’ heavy transport is not necessary.
The Super-Lynx- is still a great helicopter, it is available and has pretty low running costs.
Global/Eurohawk – will provide 24/7 surveillance with low running costs.
I would rather spend some money for rocket artillery, ballistic missiles and land/sealaunched Taurus variants. Modern communication equipment for army, navy and airforce. The infantry will get modern commando warfare equipment as well as modern anti tank missiles. A modern artillerysystem, for example PzH 2000 will provide additional firepower. Some Visby stealth corvettes and U-212/214 class submarines for littoral warfare.
I would lease the Gripens only for 10 years. After this timeperiod it will be easier to go for something new. (Gripen/Typhoon both with EJ-2xx or J-10/Su-34 or a pure Rafale fleet)
AurelAre you shure they would *get* any Typhoon ? It was refused to export Leopard 2 MBT’s so why should they get something more suited for ‘modern’ wars ? It should be a bit problematic to exchange every part normally produced in Germany.
And Saudi Arabia, ohhh they got already those hordes of BAe engineers to maintain the ‘other’ european colloberate product. :rolleyes:
AurelNever read such an bull**** , Turkey has an expansive upgrade for it’s Phantoms, EU membebership has nothing to do with arms deals. The Saudis payd that much for the maintenance of their Tornados, they would be completly silly to buy Typhoon….as a STOPGAP for JSF. Those are aircraft with totally different tactics and ideas behind them !!! G-SUS !!!!! 😡
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