The first and second pic looks like a Rafale. :confused:

The 98+xx should be renamed to 29+xx in the near future. I’m not up to date about the status of the MiG’s in Laage. Are they still there or already handed over to Poland ? This could be a solution, because if they are still active, then the 29+xx numbers are still in use.
One addition to the Tranche 2 negotiations:
http://www.airpower.at/cgi-bin/forum/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=21956

In this situation, offensive and defensive are not defined by Pakistan or even the United States. They are defined by what India views as offensive and defensive. F16s are way too politicized to make an appearence in the subcontinent. Pakistan has made their delivery the ultimate test of whether the US will side with them against
India, thus India has made their non-delivery the test of whether the US can be trusted. Note the noises made on both sides a few months ago when there were rumours that Indian pilots were actually flying F16s in the US. It will be years before anybody will be able to consider expanding the PAF F16 fleet. By then PAF should be well into the FC1 era.

Therefore the solution to get them second hand from Europe… Pakistan could get them together with an upgrade for all their Viper’s, new and existing ones. So, F-16 mainly for a2g and the FC-1 for a2a, this makes more sense to me than keeping those old mirages air worthy. Besides this would be a nice mix between western and eastern a/c. (If the FC-1 gets Russian/Chinese radar and weapons).
By the way we don’t speak about a politicaly motivated export of top notch technology. This is only buiseness. Here we come to JSF. I don’t believe the U.S. will be that stupid again, exporting their most modern weapons to a non democratic regime. (Persia, the Taliban, Saddam,…) Cold war is over, and I don’t think that the U.S. have any interest to ‘contain’ India.
I don’t believe that some second hand Vipers will cause a panic within the IAF. They will see it as what it is. A modernization on an economical basis.

Then hire all the European teachers and bring them to the US- we can exchange.

Don’t do it ! 😮 You already hired our best engineers and scientists ! All German winners of the Nobel Prize I remember during the last 20 years are now U.S. taxpayers !

Certainly right, even if the numbers of differenrets integration might lead to a bigger problem.

That’s right. The American pendant to the Taurus and Stormshadow
is due to much higher numbers available for nearly half the price.

If singapore want the typhoon + MICA who would pay for it ?

Interesting point. There were indeed discussions within EADS to integrate the MICA into Typhoon, to become independent from the AMRAAM. We will know more after the final contract for tranche 2 has been published. If they don’t integrate it now, then it would make no sense anyway. The next step is the Meteor. So, Singapore had to pay for the integration, if they want an alternative to AMRAAM now.

I found good translation into english:
http://www.eurofighter.starstreak.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=868

here’s the kicker my Sh-60 friend,

will they integrate it on ALL Typhoons or just their own Typhoons

Does it make any differnece for a potential customer ? The work is done and paid, they need only to choose off the shelf…

If each nation want their own set of weapons, all nations will pay for several products of the same kind but a potential customers won’t see any difference.

You got it ! For Singapore it makes no difference wether Germany, Italy, Spain or Austria has paid for the integration of a particular weapon. They got only the advantage of many different weapons to choose from, without any additional costs.

Because the USA refuse to let Dassault integrating them.

And the integration of AMRAAM, Sidewinder and many other weapons into Typhoon is not refused. Let’s imagine it would not be refused for Rafale, who will pay for the integration ? Dassault, the French MOD or the customer ? 😎

But hey, that cost money all that. so, the rafale must be cheaper ?

No, integration costs are paid by the individual customers, Germany Taurus, UK Brimstone and so on. That has nothing to do with the price of the aircraft.
It is an investment in future weapon deals in my opinion. For example if Singapore chooses the Brimstone as one a/g weapon, only MBDA will earn money, in the case Taurus is choosen, LFK and so on.

One thing I would suspect is that not only American weapons will be integrated into Typhoon, Italy and UK will shurely integrate some weapons from their stock into the JSF. For example Storm Shadow would make some sense and ASRAAM seems to be shure. Those overleaps will affect the Typhoon more than the Rafale.