AurelWhich case will be made ? North Korea ?
The U.S. have their war for this decade already. They don’t need another war to dump their old ammo.
And I have no doubt the U.S. will be able to offer good deals in future even without any ‘case’. And why shouldn’t the Japanese continue to buy American hardware ? They seem to be confident with their F-4, F-16(pardon F-2) and F-15.
And forget about F-22. The Superhornet seems to be perfect for an island-state. I would bet on this one.
AurelTyphoons for Australia !
AurelAt least, they could have said that the Rafale was the frontrunner, not the Su-35
The aim is to SAVE money !
AurelSorry, no chance for Typhoon. With that much F-16 costumers in the world, JSF is in the better position. It wasn’t able to win in Korea against the F-15, and it won’t be able to win against the JSF. And I like it that way. It is better to shoot down JSF’s from former U.S. “strategic allies” than Typhoons.
AurelMig-29SMTs would be respected if properly maintained and used well.
Right, used well. That is why I would rather go for updated Orao’s. The saved money could be much better spend on training hours for the pilots.
AurelWhat about the AH-1Z instead of the AH-1W. If they want used helos then I guess the AH-1W fits the bill, but if new then why not spring for the AH-1Z. It’s much cheaper than the Apache, much easier to maintain, and provides about the same capabilities.
The UH-1Y is also substantially improved over the UH-1H and UH-1N. It is as fast if not faster than any UH-60 variant, and can carry almost as large a payload (around 7,000 pounds now I believe as compared to about 8,000 for the UH-60).
Could someone fill me into the details ? Provides the combination AH-1Z/UH-1Y the same commonality like the AH/UH-1W pair ? If not, then the order is large enough to develop such a combination. The tech transfer should be no problem, too, for this ‘old’ choppers. Building them in SK would make them in my opinion unbeatable.
AurelI don’t know, I still wouldn’t scrap teh Mig-29, the J-22 is not as capable as a Mig-29SMT in A2A and I doubt it could be in A2S either but it would be a good indegneous fighter, something to keep our aerospace industry going.
The question is, if you need this plus in capabilities. With this new engines, maybe some larger tailfins, it can reach mach 1,4. Well that is enough for airpolicing. No need for BVR- weapons. I would concentrate on PGM’s and AShM’s. Something like a faster AMX should be the outcome. This would give some export chances, too. Try to get some more of them, to give your pilots enough sticktime. Romania has some to sell cheaply, I think ? This way the money is better spend in my opinion. It is nice to discuss the technical details, but the personal is more important. What are those MiG’s worth, if you don’t have pilots to fly them properly ? You need well trained pilots more than impressive fighters. By the way, who is impressed by a 5-20? MiG-29 ???
AurelProven aircraft after all I don’t see why should we scrap it, perhaps if they upgrade it they could open a new production line and try to export it.
This upgrade has many advantages. It would provide Serbia with an cheap indeginious fighter. The MiG-29’s could be sold. There would be no need for new AAM’s, as you could use the existing Russian ones. I don’t think Serbia needs an air superiority fighter. Something cheap for airpolicing is enough. What opponent do you have ? Albania ? And this with NATO… I think the EU-membership would be more important than the NATO-Membership. In 10-15 years Serbia should be in a better position for a fighter purchase. The European fighters will be prooven, the JSF and Pak-Fa will be ready or cancelled, and who knows what the Chinese have to offer….
And forget about everybody is against Serbia, even after the assasination of Zoran Djinjic, Europe sees Serbia more as potential partner than as enemy.
AurelSounds perfect for new Hueys and Cobras. Something like the pair UH-1W and AH-1W. As there is a AH-1Z, how about an UH-1Z ? Commonality wise it should be the best combination. And the Koreans don’t seem to care about the age of a design, if it fits their needs. Ka-60 and Ka-52 seem to have not the best commonality, so out of race. Tiger and NH-90 ? There was a special CSAR version already in development, that maybe a plus for Eurocopter. But for a maximum of commonality, this seems not the best variant, either. For me is AugustaWestland the second option. Everything that is not made in USA, has to be really much better, and I don’t see this. So, Hueys for ever !
AurelThe point is how many insects are at 35,000ft doing mach 1.4 in supercruise mode… Of course the weapon you use to attack it must be able to see insects as well and with a radar apature the size of AMRAAM or R-77 and room for a small computer to process that data that is hard.
With modern datalinks you can guide your weapon with external data, mostly from ground stations. SAM’s are in my opinion the ‘hotter’ candidate for such tactics. Modern AAM’s have datalinks, too. Interesting would be to fire IR MRAAM’s such as MICA or R-73 on a Raptor. B-2 or F-117 are easy to kill with interceptors, if you can guide them. Every interceptor equipped with IRST should be able to kill them with its gun.
Once again my question: is there any new info availble ? Everything I found refers on data from 1993. If I understand correctly, this radar from 1993 is now equipped with some new computers, to increase processing power and at last geral performance.
AurelThis would thus still mean that the F-22 could shoot down the interceptors with BVR since the ground radar cannot have enough accurace for BVR launch
You can get a stealth fighter even with your ‘normal’ radar, if you know where to search. So it should be possible to use actual missiles to destroy the target. Is there any link available for more info ?
AurelHi, got no info about the Windhund, but the dad of a friend looks for this flying discs for years. They builded a ground scan radar, and had a software for making 3d models from the data. They scanned many caves, but got nothing more than B-2 like aircraft and rocket parts. And they insist that their were three a-bombs fired on New York in autumn ’44… There was much on local TV about this, but they have no evidence, except Werner von Braun lived here in Arnstadt for two years. One fact is that the Americans took nearly everything with them before they handed Thuringia over to the Russians. A guy named Eisenhower had his residence in Arnstadt, too. Later on the area was taken over by the Russians, they used it as base for ICBM’s, so that no one can say if the radiation that still can be measured, is from the German a-bomb project or from the russian warheads. One proven fact is that they nearly nuked Stadtilm in ’43 or ’44 as the first ever chain reaction was achieved and got nearly out of control. Stadilm is about 15 km away from Arnstadt.
Aurelthe couple SLAM-ER + F-15 UNPROVEN but the weapons package is pretty close to zero
What do you mean with this sentence ?
First part o.k., no proven kombination. Well, maybe, but for Rafale or Typhoon the same situation. But weapons packkage pretty close to zero ?
Do you mean there where no weapons included in the contract or do you suggest they are scrap ?
Maybe the Rafale performed a bit better in A/A, had lower RCS and so on… For A/G should be no difference in accuracy between both systems. There is nothing in NK the F-15 couldn’t handle. They bought the aircraft with the biggest commonality with their existing fleet. Weapons should be interchangable. And in the USA the military budget isn’t cut back from year to year. The military R&D budget is 7 or 10 times higher than in the whole EU ! I would expect more future upgrades and new weapons for a lower price from the U.S.. The enlarged EU will cost really much money, I don’t think there will be anything left for the military.
AurelBut I agree: They probably shouldn’t have made it a contest. Even if the Rafale were superior: For political reasons the F-15 made sense, so why waste time and money?
I think this was all about saving money and getting the latest tech from Boeing. Look we take Rafale if you don’t give us this or that for a fair price… The contest gave them a sronger position in negotiatians with Boeing. And there is a real threat to South Korea: 20 000 artilleryguns in range of Seoul. In a real war, only the U.S. can take out the NK communication with their stealthbombers and Apaches. Further more I don’t think SK has a good jamming platform, to disturb radio communication… Even the U.S. are in a critical phase right now. However, the depend on american good will, I really don’t know why Dassault spend all that good money on this competition. Eurofighter was a bit smarter I think…
AurelHm, even if I would like Typhoon as winner, I think it makes much sense that Korea bought the F-15. The U.S. Forces are really important for their security. So it makes really much sense to use the same weapons. From the pure technical point of view, the Rafale has shurely scored better. But what is your damn opponent ? Jesus, some poorly maintained NK MiG-29’s and old Russian SAM’s. Iraq had much more of this stuff in 1991. We all know the outcome. Simply for Fleet commonality within the Korean forces and with the U.S. forces in SK, I would have gone for the F-15, too. I think SK did all this only to get a better price and better tech from Boeing.
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