A diversified fighter fleet is nothing special. Malaysia, India, even the rather poor Pakistanis do it. Finland did it back in the days when they were commited to their neutrality. And as I already wrote, I think preserving this neutrality is important for Iraq to prosper. Look no further than Syria. Started out as internal conflict and is now a proxy war for Gulf states vs Iranians first and Russians vs western interventionists second. And given the geography, I bet the Syrian war would pale in comparison to what would happen in Iraq.
In any major conflict, err what would that be ? Invading Iran again ? Anyway. There are very view airforces around the globe able to sustain high intensity conflict for more then a week. Again: Iraq does not produce any of the weapon systems itself. If they come under embargo (hey, never happened before !) they need a diversified supplier base to get some supplies at all. J-10 and Flankers share at least engines from the same family, and Su-27 SKM are cleared for several Chinese weapons.
The odd one is the F-16 in this case, but now that they have them on order it makes sense to increase the fleet IF they get some modern weaponry for them.
Commonality has a lot to be said for. Clearly, you have no experience with Logistics and/or Supply Chain. What you propose would be a Nightmare……..
Less efficient than a single type fleet, yes. But far from a ‘nightmare’. What you seem to overlook is the bigger picture. Iraq doesn’t produce any of the weapon systems itself, therefore Iraqis need to diversify their supplier base. Plus, Iraq doesn’t need sophisticated supply chaines. They don’t invade countries on the other side of the globe.
Much of the maintenance and logistics is done by the OEM anyway.
There won’t be any weapon commonality between Russian/Chinese aircraft and F-16 fleet. But if Iraq get’s sufficient numbers of C5 Amraams, and all the nice toys for CAS (JDAM, SDB) the aircraft would be an asset. Plus knowing the in’s and out’s of the most prolific aircraft in the ME while having some toys noone else posses certainly wouldn’t hurt the deterrence potential of the IqAF.
Where I see some chance for weapons commonality is between Sukhois and J-10/whatever Chinese aircraft. My choice would be Su-27 SKM and -27 UBM. Sure, not the latest and greatest, but they would offer acces to both Chinese and Russian weapons.
Except the S300 the AD systems you mentioned are all on order/already delivered, iirc. Biggest challenge imho will be to somehow integrate all those assets into a working ad network. Without networking, they pose as much a thread to the own airforce as to any potential intruder. Are the shortrange SAMs part of an AD network or are they integrated into army formations ?
Imho the situation is this: due to it’s ethnic/religious composition Iraq can decide to remain neutral in this shia/sunni conflict or become the battlefield. I would pick option one. That means protecting said neutrality.
Some Su-30 or Su-35 would be ideal aircraft to complement the F-16. And once Iraq has ordered some sophisticated Russian equipment, I bet Americans will be happy to supply all the Amraams Iraq want, and some
more F-16. As plan B, the J-10 makes a lot of sense. J-10 could fill the same role as the F-16, roughly same size and weight. The longer I think about it, it would make sense to order some J-10 anyway.
48 each of Su-30, F-16 and J-10 sounds like a respectable force to me.
Plus, it has the advantage of introducing some unknown variables to the region, while the Iraqis themselves have F-16’s to practice against and develop tactics to counter them with J-10 and Sukhois.
They don’t want Tiffies. It is quite clear they want Rafales. If that does not work, the IAF will get even more top heavy than it already is with more Flankers. A sensible approach would be to get some used MiG-29 (upgraded to UPG) or M2K as gap filler and finally get the LCA in numbers. But given the structure of Indian procurement process I doubt such practical solutions would be politically acceptable.
One more vote for Ching Kuo. Most interesting one of all those models. Or Tomcat and Shornet. On the same desk ! Tomcat guys will hate you. :dev2:
If something is an export succes can’t be judged by it’s MTOW. See Su-27 vs MiG-29 for example. F-15 isn’t doing so bad compared to F-18, either.
A realistic move would be to buy some Su-30MK to replace the aging Tomcats and Fencers. J-10 to replace Phantoms and finally get some Chinese help to create some kind of domestic F-20. RD-33 powered F-5 clone or something along those lines with some Chinese imput on DSI/LERX to make it a Raptor eater. :very_drunk:
J-10 may indeed be an option. Even if we assume the Western arms embargo gets dropped, I doubt Iranians would buy American equipment. J-10 fits the bill. Pretty much a canard delta F-16.
Avic is about to get an export license for the type: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/814399.shtml#.UkdxPj95cbq
No, India should have chosen Gripen. Then they should have gotten it in production ASAP, dropping the ill fated LCA in the process. And they should have gotten in the drivers seat for the Naval Gripen with export chances to Brasilia while concentrating development resources on the FGFA/MCA.
It is not only about the hardware. It is mostly about software. Delays and cost overruns are caused mostly by software issues. And an industry programme run on a shoestring budget lacks the feedback from operational use to iron out bugs, improve radar modi and what not.
Plus, how many AESA sets will get delivered to the partner nations ? Italians already made it clear they have no requirenment for an AESA upgrade. Spain ? Can’t afford it. Germany ? Nope, not going to happen. In the end it’s down to UK and Saudi Arabia. How many AESA equipped Typhoons does this make ? 15+ for UK and 24 for Saudi Arabia ? What a joke.
While the new cockpit is nice, why not go for commonality with the existing Eagle fleet ? Allows for a standardized pilot training for all eagles.
In operational experience and the resulting software refinement the F-15 is streets ahead. There are dozens of AESA equipped strike eagles in service around the world. With the given budget Euroradar can’t even dream about ever catching up.
Given past experiences Typhoon will get a GaAs set when the rest of the world is about to switch to GaN. By then the Eurofighter bull****ters will tell us it is the latest and greates of all GaAs sets, with unparalleld capablities not found in the immature new GaN sets.
7. No brighter future? I disagree. First of all, F-15SE yet doesn’t exists. If South Korea doesn’t buy it, it probably will never exist, so even less future.
Do you really think that the several times evolved F-15 will have the same (or more) “grow/evolving capability” than the newest Typhoon? I don’t think so. I also must remember here that Eagle wasn’t designed with “grow capability concept”, because it’s more recent. But Eurofighter was designed with it in mind.
Also, Typhoon will operate in more countries than Eagle, in bigger numbers (even more difference when USA will retire them). And both companies depend strongly in export market. I mean, we are talking about two fighters with strong back support, not one in clear minority.
I doubt SK will get anything close to the full SE standard. But even the -K models offer better capabilities than T3A Tiffies. And there is a broader userbase for AESA equipped Eagles. Tranche 3b is dead, and 3a comes with MSA. The Typhoon may have potential, but it will never be explored. Italy and Spain can’t afford even operating them, Germany is not interested in cutting edge hardware for it’s servicemen and the UK/Saudis may not be happy to pay alone for the big ticket items.