ItalyWas this actually a weapons bay demonstrator? I thought it was settled that this was actually a giant rec pod?
that picture is as real as Kirchner’s nose
Italytwin engined T-50? that’s basically this bad boy
although I would argue that this one is better.
to Mr. Kitty:
they’re wild cards.. but the possibility is still there.. Erdogan’s Turkey is radicalizing, its slowly but surely drifting more towards Russia and China.
Argentina has a history of cooperation with China like that helicopter that looks like a Eurocopter rip off among others. Tis no longer the 1980s. Their leader is a socialist who sleeps with Chavez and Castro and Alec Baldwin.
ItalyAs for PAK-FA, Russia has been extremely cautious as this is their F-22, so Russia will be pretty selective about its sales, conditions being that the buyer isn’t a US ally.
India is a US ally, they are buying Pak-fa. Next!
ItalyPak-fa
High chance of buying:
Kazakhstan – they have the money, they are Russia’s Canada
India – they are a partner after all
some potential for buying:
Venezuela – they have money but do they have the will?
Vietnam – they have the need, but do they have the money?
Malaysia – they have the money and the will, but do the Russians trust them
Indonesia – replace their flankers already.. but will they actually buy weapons for it?
wild cards:
Turkey – they have the money and the will, but do they have potatos?
Brazil – some money, no will, but FX could last long enough to the point where 4th gen fighters are too obsolete
Myanmar – money issue.. but now its political because the country is drifting into the US sphere. China lost Myanmar.
Iraq – donkey time
J-31
High Chance of buying:
Pakistan – they need a counter for Pak-fa
some potential for buying:
Venezuela – they lean Russian but will bite a Chinese sausage when its tasty
Egypt – they don’t like Russian but they will bend over for a Chinese
Wild cards:
Argentina – they won’t buy Russian but they will work with China. They have the need to destroy British Typhoids.. but do they have the money?
ItalyNot a lot of physical differences in the FTC-2000 from the other MiG-21 clones.
is the JF-17 considered a MiG-21 clone? looks quite different..
although if we’re talking about looks
this one is by far my favorite MiG-21 clone
and this one
ItalyYou are aware that China is not terribly popular in Iraq?
why is China not popular with Iraq? I would imagine they would be indifferent.
ItalyI definitely concur on that a Super-Gripen/Super-Hornet mix would be far more practical, but my post was connected to a more realistic view of the VPAF. The Flanker family has already been put into service in the Vietnamese peoples air force, and thus, the benefits of continuing to use it contra to get rid of those and buy Super Hornets instead, would be nil or non-existant.
As for Brazil however, I’d definitely think say the Gripen 39E/F would be a great choice in the F-X2 to replace their F-5 Tigers and the F/A-18E/F to replace their A-4 Skyhawks. The Gripen is a cost-effective choice that carries a relatively large payload for a single-engine design, that has the possibility to do patrolling/reconnaissance/intercepting very well with an advanced AESA, IRST, Meteor and a super cruise capability. The Super Hornet could complement the Gripen with its much larger payload capability and who knows, Brazil could even convert some into Growlers for an advanced EW-capability with time like Australia.
Not sure why a Eagle/Gripen hi-lo mix would be any better than a flanker/Gripen mix though. Due to the mutual weaponry? Martin Baker chairs?
yes, not sure if the slight performance advantages of a Flanker justify the logistical headaches and dual munitions costs if you combine it with a Gripen force. the Eagle will at least be able to use most of the same weapons.
the only time I think a two weapon system AF would be justifiable is if the country wanted to keep secure an emergency source of weapons and spares in case one country cuts off support. Something the Malaysians and I guess Greeks are doing and will gladly accept the higher and more complex logistics.
if you’re using Vietnam as an example, I don’t see the Russians cutting off anything anytime soon. Russians love Vietnam. But I agree, there are somethings the Russians can’t offer to Vietnam.. like a light modern fighter.
ItalyMy apologies to all.
I don’t expect forgiveness from anyone, but no more off topic posts for me.
fair enough, at least you’re modest. don’t know if JSR will forgive you though.
Italywow so many of you fantasize a Gripen Flanker hi-lo mix.
sounds good on paper but maybe not the most practical in terms of logistics. Gripen-Super Hornet works better, or to some extent, Gripen and Eagle.
ItalySpewing hatred around and call everyone antiamerican won’t help it. Look for the reasons and look for them in yourself.. You think the US don’t need anyone’s approval for anything, anyone’s authorization, anyone’s forgiveness… OK.. then you just reap what you sow.
Phantom II did a good job in steering the thread off topic with his anti-world rant of his. reported to moderator.
ItalyThe funny thing is…if a natural disaster occurs the US is often one of the first nations to provide substantial help either monetarily or with military forces (helos, Hercs, etc.)
A disaster is when the place affected is overwhelmed and unable to give a proper response to those in need. In case you haven’t noticed.. the US generally has good infrastructure and good response abilities so it can take care of itself in most instances. Not true for most countries in the world that lack equipment, effective governments, money, etc.
When the US has something happen however,….outside of Canada we don’t tend to get nearly as much help…
Not to say we have never been helped, but its rare…
International Katrina Response:
Africa
Nigeria has pledged $1 million to hurricane disaster relief, government officials told CNN. “Nigeria will be happy to pledge $1 million to the hurricane disaster fund in the spirit of brotherhood,” Finance Minister Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala said.
Asia
China offered $5 million in aid for victims of Hurricane Katrina. If needed, the Chinese government also is prepared to send rescue workers, including medical experts, officials said.
Japan has offered to provide $200,000 to the American Red Cross, the Japanese Foreign Ministry said. Japan also will provide up to $300,000 in emergency supplies such as tents, blankets and power generators if it receives requests, the ministry said.
India is making a $5 million donation to the American Red Cross, Ronen Sen, Indian ambassador to the United States, said Saturday. In addition, Sen said India was willing to donate essential medicines to the relief effort.
The Singapore armed forces, responding to requests by the Texas Army National Guard, has sent three Chinook helicopters to Fort Polk, Louisiana, to help in relief efforts.
South Korea awaits a U.S. response after pledging aid, a government official said.
Afghanistan pledged $100,000 to help provide aid to the hurricane victims, according to a statement issued by the U.S. Embassy in Kabul.
Sri Lanka will donate $25,000 to the American Red Cross.
Taiwan has pledged more than $3 million to the relief effort.
Americas
Canada has offered to help in any way it can, and its navy is preparing a ship full of emergency disaster relief supplies to be sent when a request comes.
Cuban President Fidel Castro offered to fly 1,100 doctors to Houston, Texas, with 26 tons of medicine to treat disaster victims.
Mexico has offered $1 million and is sending 15 truckloads of water, food and medical supplies via Texas. The Mexican navy has offered to send two ships, two helicopters and 15 amphibious vehicles.
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a vocal critic of the United States, offered to send cheap fuel, humanitarian aid and relief workers to the disaster area.
Australia
Australia is giving $10 million, most of it to the American Red Cross, according to the Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer.
Europe
France has offered mobile help from rescue teams in the French Antilles in the Caribbean, including a civil defense detachment of 35 people, tents, camp beds, generators, motor pumps, water treatment units and emergency kits, two CASA cargo aircraft, a ship (Batral Francis Garnier) and the frigate Ventose with its Panther helicopter, and a hurricane disaster unit. France also has offered assistance from the French mainland, including several aircraft. In addition, the NGO Telecoms Sans Frontieres, which specializes in restoring phone lines and Internet service in disasters, is ready to send a team of experts and equipment. Veolia Environment, which has facilities in Louisiana, has offered to make its local water management resources available.
Germany has offered a range of assistance, including medical and transportation services, water treatment capabilities and aid in searching for victims and supplies. Germany also has said it is ready and willing to “dip into its own emergency oil reserves” to release some 2 million barrels a day for 30 days.
Italy has offered to send aid and evacuation specialists immediately, Italy’s civil protection unit said. Authorities have prepared two military transport planes to fly amphibious vessels, pumps, generators, tents and personnel to New Orleans, Louisiana, and other areas. They were awaiting word from U.S. officials, the unit said.
The Netherlands will provide teams for inspecting dikes and for identifying victims if there is a formal request from the United States. It also will send a frigate from Curacao in the Netherlands Antilles to New Orleans shortly to provide emergency assistance, the Dutch government said.
Russia has offered to help with rescue efforts but is awaiting a reply from Washington.
Spain expects to receive a formal request to release gasoline stocks to the United States and is prepared to grant it, an Industry Ministry spokesman said.
Sweden’s Rescue Authority said it was on standby to supply water purifying equipment, health care supplies and emergency shelters if needed.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair has said his country stands ready to help the United States in whatever way it can.
Middle East
Qatar has offered the United States $100 million to assist in the humanitarian crisis triggered by Hurricane Katrina.
Saudi Refining, a Houston-based subsidiary of state oil firm Saudi Aramco, will donate $5 million to the American Red Cross to support relief efforts for hurricane victims.
Iran has offered to send humanitarian aid to hurricane victims, Reuters reported. “We are prepared to send our contributions to the people through the Red Crescent,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told Reuters.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/katrina.world.aid/
US Turned down quite a bit of foreign aid (not saying it is bad or good)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113.html
Yet, we are constantly derided and and ridiculed…looked down upon. I’m sick of it. No country on this planet is perfect, but to paint America as a bad guy is ridiculous…
Victim complex. Reminds me of the attitude of many Chinese nationalistic posters, just change name of countries
ItalyObama was elected on promises to change things in Washington for the better. No more entitlements, less spending, etc. Of course most politicians don’t keep promises, so I’m used to being at least somewhat disappointed with elected officials. The issue is that the current administration has done nothing to even attempt to rectify the problems we already have. They have also created new ones. Our spending has been through the roof, entitlements certainly have not decreased…etc. I will say that anyone who truly paid attention to a lot of what Obama said in 2008 shouldn’t be surprised that we are still in the mess we are in.
The issue is not Obama himself though…he is just one man. The issue is that this election as well as the one in 2008 represents a massive shift in priorities among many of the voters of this country. The Democratic left has become much farther left in recent years than it has ever been. We have become a culture that asks not what we can do for our country, but what our country can do for us. (To reverse President Kennedy’s well-known speech.) People have become very reliant on government handouts. Be it cell phones, welfare, etc., people are abusing these programs in record numbers. These programs are important because they help people get on their feet when they go through hard times. Yet people are simply using them as a way to skirt by without having to do anything. The idea is that “the government will take care of me.” Unfortunately money doesn’t fall from trees…it will run out at some point.
The American spirit that helped to get this nation to where it was at one point is slowly dying out. Successful people are now looked down on. If you have money, you are denigrated and viciously attacked for being an uncaring and otherwise selfish person. (I am by no means rich so I don’t have a vested interest in that statement. I’m just calling it like I see it.)
Personal responsibility is a thing of the past, and I fear that as the years go by and successive generations are raised in this “entitlement culture”, we will continue to head down a dark path.
If you think I’m wrong then that’s your right, but I live in this country. I have lived here my entire life so I’ve seen the changes that have taken place, especially in recent years. I’m still proud to live here, and I will continue to hope that things turn around. Nothing I can do now, but see how it all turns out.
The problem is not government hand outs per say.. many countries are successful where the government plays a strong hand in intervening in the economy. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Norway, Singapore.. and three of those four are still growing while the US is stagnating.
The problem is that the US has a unique issue where a certain group.. or groups I should say.. keeps exploiting Government assistance. Things that would work in Norway or Japan would not work in the US because of these certain groups.
its not PC but that’s the truth.
ItalyObama was elected on promises to change things in Washington for the better. No more entitlements, less spending, etc. Of course most politicians don’t keep promises, so I’m used to being at least somewhat disappointed with elected officials. The issue is that the current administration has done nothing to even attempt to rectify the problems we already have. They have also created new ones. Our spending has been through the roof, entitlements certainly have not decreased…etc. I will say that anyone who truly paid attention to a lot of what Obama said in 2008 shouldn’t be surprised that we are still in the mess we are in.
The issue is not Obama himself though…he is just one man. The issue is that this election as well as the one in 2008 represents a massive shift in priorities among many of the voters of this country. The Democratic left has become much farther left in recent years than it has ever been. We have become a culture that asks not what we can do for our country, but what our country can do for us. (To reverse President Kennedy’s well-known speech.) People have become very reliant on government handouts. Be it cell phones, welfare, etc., people are abusing these programs in record numbers. These programs are important because they help people get on their feet when they go through hard times. Yet people are simply using them as a way to skirt by without having to do anything. The idea is that “the government will take care of me.” Unfortunately money doesn’t fall from trees…it will run out at some point.
The American spirit that helped to get this nation to where it was at one point is slowly dying out. Successful people are now looked down on. If you have money, you are denigrated and viciously attacked for being an uncaring and otherwise selfish person. (I am by no means rich so I don’t have a vested interest in that statement. I’m just calling it like I see it.)
Personal responsibility is a thing of the past, and I fear that as the years go by and successive generations are raised in this “entitlement culture”, we will continue to head down a dark path.
If you think I’m wrong then that’s your right, but I live in this country. I have lived here my entire life so I’ve seen the changes that have taken place, especially in recent years. I’m still proud to live here, and I will continue to hope that things turn around. Nothing I can do now, but see how it all turns out.
The problem is not government hand outs per say.. many countries are successful where the government plays a strong hand in intervening in the economy. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Norway, Singapore.. and three of those four are still growing while the US is stagnating.
The problem is that the US has a unique issue where a certain group.. or groups I should say.. keeps exploiting Government assistance. Things that would work in Norway or Japan would not work in the US because of these certain groups.
its not PC but that’s the truth.
ItalyJust four UNSC permanent members(China excluded). Add Canada to the engine maker list.
Japan can make more dependable and reliable jet engine than China does and Japan is not called a jet engine power.
and quite obviously, Ukraine can also make jet engines that China relies on for its new stealth fighter and trainer.
ItalyPioneer did a good job of briefly touching the various options. The more I look into radio wave theory the more apparent that Rafale, Super Hornet, Gripen, and the Platypus are quite solid LO designs, with all but the latter probably developed that way from the outset. The Typhoon has some good head on features, but not anywhere to the level of the others. And it’s pretty apparent that the Eagle and Flanker (non-Platypus) designs will never be great LO designs without major overhauls of their designs.
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Why platypus? it’s still mostly the Flanker shape, the only major difference is a longer stinger and a huge front cockpit that’s wide and probably larger RCS. It’s just slightly faceted.
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