MoD defends use of military time for Top Gear stunts
MoD defends use of military time for Top Gear stunts
Military personnel have spent the equivalent of more than 140 days taking part in stunts on Jeremy Clarkson’s hit BBC motoring show Top Gear.
Published: 1:31PM GMT 18 Nov 2009

In 2004 an Apache helicopter gunship attempted to get a missile lock on a sports car driven by Clarkson. Photo: PA
The Ministry of Defence insisted taking part in the BBC show was a valuable way of raising public awareness of the Armed Forces’ work.
Equipment worth billions of pounds has been used in major setpiece scenes for the show in the last five years.
In response to a Freedom of Information Act request, the MoD revealed that military personnel were involved in filming for the equivalent of 141 days and civilian officials spent 48 days working on items for the programme.
In 2004 an Apache helicopter gunship attempted to get a missile lock on a Lotus Exige sports car driven by Clarkson.
A year later, Clarkson took on a Challenger tank with a Range Rover and then attempted to avoid sniper fire while testing a Porsche Boxster and Mercedes SLK.
In 2006 it was the turn of his co-presenter Richard Hammond to take on the military, racing a Porsche Cayenne against a parachutist from the elite Red Devils display team.
The aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal was used as the backdrop to a film on the luxury Rolls Royce Phantom in 2007.
In the same year an RAF Typhoon raced a Bugatti Veyron at RAF Coningsby airfield.
The two biggest events each involved the equivalent of more than 60 personnel.
In November 2008, Clarkson took part in a beach assault with the Royal Marines while driving a Ford Fiesta.
The event involved the equivalent of 63 days’ worth of time from the Marines and equipment including Lynx helicopters and amphibious landing craft.
And in May 2009 Clarkson played a game of ”British bulldog” against some of the Army’s latest armoured vehicles at Bovington training area.
The item required 60 days of soldiers’ time and involved five military vehicles.
In its response to the Freedom of Information request, the MoD said no additional cost was incurred as a result of taking part in the programmes.
A spokesman said ”in no circumstances” were resources diverted from operations for the events.
”The filming utilised scheduled training hours and resources which would have been consumed irrespective of the BBC filming or not, and were therefore used at no additional cost to MoD,” he said.
”Having these events appear on one of the most popular television programmes in the UK was an excellent opportunity to raise public awareness of the Armed Forces and enable greater understanding and support for our sailors, soldiers and aircrew.”
Has anyone got any progress on CVF to report?
I have been reading about CVN USS Gerald Ford and it has a new reactor to provide the extra power needed to power the EMALS. The Nimitz class cannot be refitted with EMALS as the cannot generate enough power for them. This got me thinking about CVF and whether it has enough spare power production capacity to power to EMALS and modern arrestor gear. (i don’t know if arrestor gear uses electricity) The CVF design has the upgrade potential built into it for catapults and arrestor gear but would it require some kind of extra power generation turbine or does the current units have enough spare capacity? Maybe the design has been built for steam catapults only i don’t know. I don’t know how much power the current EMALS require but seeing as Nimitz class can’t use them i guess it’s alot. Maybe in the future EMALS will be developed to require less electricity to operate?
Has the French design of CVF been built to be able to use EMALS? I thought it was going to be built with pretty much the same engines as CVF and operate steam catapults.
This got me thinking about the arrestor gear and the forces that must be put through it when an aircraft hooks on. Wouldn’t be fantastic if the energy absorbed from an aircraft landing could be turned into electricity and stored and be enough to power an EMAL for take off. Probably not possible but i think that if you could harness the energy of the arrested landing and turn it into electricity it would be a substantial amount. While looking into the arrestor gear on USS Gerald Ford CVN-78 it is new and will operate by using electromagnets to stop the aircraft instead of the current hydraulic system. The Advanced Arrestor Gear (AAG) seems like it would be easier to generate electrical power from it. In defence it often feels as if Britian its technological ability and numbers of ships slip through its fingers. Dr StrangeLove the former head of MI6 was on the radio saying how the current government has really stretched the UK in defence matter like budget etc. I’m finally glad someone is standing up for defence.
I’ve been looking through Royal navy equipment on the web and there is some interesting stuff i never new they had. If anyone has info on them or has any other equipment that is different from the usual stuff please reply.
Here is a RM hovercraft. How many they have, what ships they operate off or if there are any other types i don’t know
The navy also operates the BV206 that the viking was developed from. I never new this and its not listed on the RN site. How many and for how long i don’t know. They also have a few leopard 1 tanks that have been converted into beach vehicles. It seems an odd chassis to use.
When reading about history and the Falklands i saw that HMS Onyx had sank one of the Round table class after it had been destroyed by fire and bombs. Does anyone know anything about the role this submarine played in the war. All i’ve seen so far is that it played quite and important part with SBS and had other roles. It was because it was small and non nuclear that it got the special forces role. That got me thinking, did the UK do the right thing retiring all there non nuclear submarines? Maybe they should of kept what are now Canada’s Victoria class. Conventional subs seem to be good for some roles. I would still keep the nuclear for the big roles like out in the ocean chasing other boats but there would be role for a very quiet and smaller submarine where speed isn’t a main factor. The USN seems to keep a sub or 2 for special missions etc. Does the RN have a sub that has some different equipment on it that it uses for special missions? There used to be one of the Swiftsure class i think HMS Spartan that had a dry deck shelter but i was under the impression that when this was retired the capability was lost.

I’ve saw this photo on wiki of Sir Percivale with this description: An aerial port bow view of the British logistic landing ship RFA SIR PERCIVALE (L 3036) at anchor during the NATO Southern Region exercise DRAGON HAMMER ’90.
When looking at the photo i noticed the ramp/jetty thing at the back of this ship. Is this all from the ship or is it maybe a jetty? It Looks quite impressive.
I liked this photo of Sir Tristram being carried home after the Falklands war. I show’s how much damage can be caused by fire and being hit. It always amazes me when you see a ship being carried by another ship (MV Dan Lifter i think). I’m yet to see one in person but it must be a site.
So is there some kind of big advantage over having a dock on your helicopter carrier and not having one? The USN have just launched their 1st helicopter ship not to have a dock i think. The Royal Navy have lots of ships with docks on them and that is why i don’t think the Helicopter assault ship needs one. I watched a programme on channel 5 recently about the navies deployment on operation Taurus (i think) and they had bits filmed on Ocean. She is an impressive ship but it was disappointing to see her on a far east deployment with only 4 merlins. On the programs only 1 of these was working for a period of time due to break downs and spares etc. Then this merlin needed repaired. It just showed how even with 4 helicopters you still can’t provide decent cover. Some politicians should learn from this. One thing i saw was the Merlin ASW being used to transport troops to Jungle in Brunei. Has anyone seen how many seats this has in it and its capacity. I’m yet to decide if this is a good thing or bad. The fact using a £50 million ASW helicopter for transport duty seems a bit risky in a warzone. It’s a big asset to loose and could leave them vulnerable to submarine or surface attack. On the other side though i am glad to see the RN making full use of what it’s got.
If the RN could get 2 new updated with lessons learned from HMS Ocean and bigger if needed replacements for HMS Ocean i would say that the RN Amphibious dept has good equipment for its role. (just the rest of the fleet to sort out now!) A price of say £500-750 million would be a good price and well worth the investment. If possible without increasing the price to much make sure they are able to handle a operate with F35B and maybe have a detachable ski jump. So long as they are not seen as carriers but can be used in that role if need be. Say a falklands part 2 situation somewhere in the world. The RN only has 1 CVF to be deployed but is able to fit all it’s equipment and troops that are required on the Bays and Albion, bulwark and the point ships. Then load up Oceans replacement with helicopters and F35’s and this makes CVF not so vulnerable. Then hurry up the refit on CVF 2 and Ocean replacement 2 and you have back up if needed. With only 2 CVF’s any country will no if they can take out 1 carrier or make it to dangerous for it to deploy the RN won’t proceed. (now if only the politicians could see this) The main thing building replacement ships will count on is how much space and time is available in the ship yards?
Has anyone here ever served or been on any Amphibious ships? The Round table or Sir class that the RN had seem to have done ok on the export market. I believe Australia has HMAS Tobruk that is based on a round table design. India seems to build her own version of these ships (or has in the past). I’m not sure if India ever operate any of the RN ships or how many of her own design she has in commission. How much variation the ships in foreign service bear to the original design i’m not sure of. The RN had one of them that had a major SLEP and the ship that came out was quite different to the 1 that went in. Anyone have any idea’s if any of the Round table class were sold on to other countries and are any of them still operating. I heard 1 was in the hands of a private company but i can’t remember details of who or what role it played.
Hawker Hunters of the Lebanese Air Force today.
Photos by Vatche Mitilian.
When looking at the picture of the 3 aircraft it looks as if the 1st aircraft has a much bigger hump that feeds straight of the back of the canopy while the other 2 seem to have a bit of a bubble canopy. Can anyone explain this? Is this some kind of upgraded Hunter?
Also does anyone know where they got there Hunter’s from. I believe they have 5 active? Were these originally bought brand new from the UK or are the second hand from another country? It’s great to see such a good aircraft still flying. It just shows for most ground attack missions you don’t need some fancy aircraft and you can use something much cheaper. The Nato air forces could do with taking a lesson from this. I’m not saying for example the UK gets rid of it’s Tornado’s but it could just as easily operate a much cheaper aircraft with the necessary equipment in Afghanistan.
I have a few points.
If the A330 is heavier than a KC-10 but has 110,000lbs less fuel what is all this extra weight taken up by?
I was under the impression most OPERATIONAL tanker missions involve flying round in a track in the sky. These tracks are kept operational 24 hours a day to give planes a regular and constant place to get fuel. Kind of like a flying gas station. If this is the case why would tankers be coming back without using up all there fuel? This would seem like a waste of resources.
Can anyone tell me what the difference between the Hercules C3 and C3A is? I always get this muddled up is the C3 the short or long version?
While on this subject anyone know what all the different tanker marks are for? We have the 3 types for VC-10 and the 3 types for Tri stars. I thought i read somewhere that only 5 of the Tristars are tankers? are the C2 transports only? Is there any meaning to the different letters or numbers associated with these planes?
You have got to laugh sometimes
Eurofighter Vice President and Head of India Campaign Directorate Dr Matthias Schmidlin told India Strategic that while he could not confirm receipt of the RFI for the naval variant of Eurofighter, his company would bid for the Indian Navy’s requirement if invited.
In fact, he pointed out, Eurofighter is the only aircraft among the six contenders for the IAF order which would have thrust vectoring capability in the coming years. Thrust vectoring capability allows an aircraft to stand still in the air, and takeoff and land even in vertical mode like a helicopter.
Not to sure about this either, surely not with the wings folded on F-18.
It may also be noted that both Eurofighter and Rafale are smaller in size than the F 18 Super Hornet, which operate from very large US aircraft carriers floating in all the oceans.
Does the INS Viraat have a well dock? When it was with the Royal navy i thought i carried 4 LCVP in a dock? As far as i know it still can be used as a commando carrier in the IN. Any pictures of the dock or inside?
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AGM 142 Popeye Missile
Does the BUFF also fit these in it’s weapons bay? Does anyone have a picture of the inside of the B-52’s weapons bay. With or withour weapons in it. A picture with it stacked with bombs would be most entertaining though.
some politician trying to make up stories again. If he and Boeing are so confident in there product and that the 767 is the correct plane for the job then they shouldn’t have to resort to crazy tactics. Personally i like the A330 but it is up to the USAF to decide what plane best meets their needs. That could be either, us member’s of the public trying to guess what the US airforce refueling and transport future needs are is pure guess work. The strategy of the US airforce could change over the next 50 years. One thing we have seen is that the US is finding it harder and harder to get basing rights near the battle field. Is this continues at its current rate in 50 years time to US will have no base rights in any country. This will involve longer flights and more refueling. Also it makes the navies carrier’s more important and USAF long range bomber’s more relevant.
The thing with subsidies is that the European governments aren’t just giving money to airbus. The money is normally loaned to Airbus to develop new aircraft and then as the aircraft sells Airbus repay the money that was loaned. Another way to look at it is that when Airbus developed it’s first aircraft the European countries governments that had stakes in Airbus paid for it’s development. This money was then paid back as the aircraft became a success. This same money that was loaned for the first aircraft has then been used to develop all the other aircraft. Thus if the big EU countries had just gave Airbus £5 billion for its first aircraft and not wanted it back Airbus could of used put away the money it would normally have paid back to the governments to develop the next aircraft. This in hindsight would probably of not caused so much controversy.
The government loans could also be seen as that Airbus was given money to start as a company and has paid money to the governments to keep for it’s next aircraft. This way Airbus is using the EU governments as a bank. Whether in the future Airbus will borrow money from the governments is yet to be seen.
Boeing gets it’s fare share of tax breaks and other benefits that Airbus doesn’t get so it’s all a bit swings and roundabouts. The only way to resolve this would be to have both companies paying the exact same tax wages outgoings etc. This will never happen as it’s to hard to do. All worldwide companies have advantages and disadvantages depending where they are based. This is how it goes and to say the A330 tanker should have some kind of $5 million penalty is just crazy.
The best thing Boeing could do just now is put every effort into getting the tankers it has on order’s with Italy, japan etc sorted out and fast. These are making Boeing look like they aren’t reliable and can’t make tankers anymore on budget and on time. The should also be doing this for any other military customer that is using a civilian airframe like P-8, AWACS etc
Same goes for Airbus and it’s A310 and A330 tankers. We don’t hear so much about big problems that are dragging on for years as much as Boeing but they still should be showing they can deliver tanker’s on time and if possible under budget. Also they should look at getting the A400 and any other planes sorted asap as this just makes them look bad.
All in all Northrop/Airbus appear to be having less problems with there tanker’s than Boeing. This may not be correct but if you read the press this is what you would think.
As far as i was aware these 179 tankers are the first batch out of 3. The plan was that all the 3 batches should be the same aircraft and this will make things simpler instead of running 2 aircraft. Some people now seem to be wanting a split buy to replace KC-135 and KC-10. This is an idea but it leaves the situation of that if the 767 doesn’t win the first round the production line will be shut down so it most likely won’t be available for KC-Y and Z. When thinking how long the whole tanker replacement program is going to run for i would be wanting an aircraft that has development potential. For this i would favour the A330. In another way if the USAF puts of renewal for 10 years or says it will be a new aircraft for KC-Y and Z then this leaves the door open for a new development or for the 787 and A350 to have a go. These aircraft could be well suited to the tanker mission depending on what is required. If the A330 is bought for KC-X then maybe for KC-Z it should be a smaller aircraft. By the time KC-Z is required the USAF should have a good knowledge of how the new tankers and strategy is working out and if it should go smaller, bigger or stay the same size.
When thinking about it will there be a smaller Airbus or Boeing product available? Their aircraft seem to be getting bigger and they are not replacing the smaller market planes.
When is a decision due on the tanker? The mandatory requirement jump is huge thing to go from 37 to over 300. Can either aircraft meet 300 odd requirement? If only 1 can then it’s not really a competition and if you have 300 odd mandatory requirements that 2 different aircraft pass then it doesn’t seem to be strict enough and will lead to the same situation as last time. The fact there aren’t going to be many bonus points and total number of requirements has gone from 800 to 373 in an attempt to simplify the process but that all these are mandatory i think will either lead to 1 aircraft pulling out and there being no competition or it won’t be possible to pick a winner cause both have done the same. Then it will be the same situation now where who ever wins will get taken to court and the competition winner will be overturned.
How i see it though is the USAF picked the A330 as the aircraft it wanted and thought was the best. Why would this change in a few years to favour the other aircraft?
Does anyone else think the B-52 in the picture up a few posts looks a bit different round the cockpit area? At first i didn’t regognise it. Maybe just the camera angle or the paint job.
Here’s another one.
B-52 dropping stuff
B-52 doors open, Not sure what the missiles under wing are
And idea on these weapons?
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4384702&c=AIR&s=TOP
Germany To Cut Eurofighter Order, Seek Exports
By THOMAS NEWDICK
Published: 19 Nov 2009 12:45
BERLIN – Germany’s coalition government has confirmed that the Luftwaffe will not receive its final batch of Eurofighters. To date, Germany has firmly committed to 143 aircraft; now Tranche 3B, covering the final 37 jets originally planned for the Luftwaffe, will instead be made available for export.
Faced with penalties for non-acceptance of the 37 remaining aircraft, the German government has decided to put these Eurofighters up for sale, under an agreement issued by the new coalition government. The decision may appease Eurofighter officials, since there will be no reduction in the original 180-aircraft German order.
Can we take this story as true or just rumour? The germans will be lucky to find someone who wants to buy 37 eurofighter’s for full price when the customer know’s that if the germans don’t sell them they will just be going to the scrap yard.. When is Tranche 3B going to be finished 2015+? Maybe the germans can tie the 37 into a bigger order if they get one.
A better idea for germany would be to sell 30 odd of the tranche 1 or 2 aircraft second hand to some country cheaply and then keep the tranche 3 aircraft for themselves. This way you have more chance of someone buying them if they are cheap and it looks good on the market that another 30 odd eurofighters have been sold. Maybe Romania or some other airforce that needs new planes soon but really can’t afford brand new ones.
IF this story is true it is a shame. I hope this doesn’t make the other countires think about selling tranche 3B? This could fill a potential indian or japanese order.
I don’t know if £28 billion is accurate figure. The CIA fact book has it as $67 billion. This is a quote taken from the MOD website
The Government plans departmental spending through the process of the spending reviews. As part of most recent settlement, the Defence Budget is set to increase from a baseline of £32.6Bn in 2007/08 to £36.9Bn in 2010/11 in Total Departmental Expenditure Limit (Total DEL). In real terms (i.e. after inflation) it represents average annual growth of 1.5%. By 2010/11 the Budget will be some 11% higher in real terms than in 1997, and represents the longest period of sustained growth since the 1980s.
The UK is joint 3rd with France on defence spending behind only the US and China. Also France includes the Gendarmerie in this figure and some other things that don’t come under the UK figure. My point was that the UK seems to spend a lot of cash but doesn’t have that much to show for it compared to other countries. I’m glad the MOD is getting rid of staff it doesn’t need and hope it can get a better control on spending and actually tell us how much cash it needs for a set amount of troops and equipment.
Also operation costs are meant to be paid for separately. I’m not sure if this works out exactly and probably some of the defence budget get’s spent on operations. this is taken from the MOD site.
Since 2001, the Reserve has provided an additional £9.5Bn on top of the Defence Budget to cover operational costs. This reflects over £3.6Bn that has been approved for Urgent Operational Requirements.
It’s when reading figures like this that things get put in perspective.
Government spending by in £bn for 07/08 as follows Social protection: £177Bn;
Health: £103Bn;
Education: £79Bn;
Other: £46Bn;
Defence: £34Bn;
Public order and safety: £33Bn;
Debt Interest: £31Bn;
Transport: £21Bn;
Housing and Community Services: £13Bn;
Recreation; Culture and Religion: £12Bn
The debt interest is nearly the whole defence budget! I’ve been trying to find out in what year public borrowing started but i can’t find anything pre 1948. Anyone have any idea’s?