One thing that seems to consistently forgotten by our government is that other nations are dependent on the UK for defence. We have the commonwealth countries who would be expecting us to help them in a time of crisis. There are treaties with different countries like the agreement with Singapore and Malaysia? that says us and Australia will come to the rescue if the **** hits the fan. We have Belize, Brunei, Falklands, Caribbean countries. They all look to us to help in times of need and we are letting them down.
I cannot think of a decade that has gone past without the UK helping a country with some defence needs. Often the threat of the UK response was enough to put countries off attacking a country that has the UK backing. Take Guatemala it took HMS Ark Royal with some buccaneers flying over to stop them from invading Belize. Then Sierra Leone to take out the west side boys. The Falklands in 1977? was enough to deter Argentina from invading. Even silly things like the COD wars with Iceland need defence items.
I could go on for ages mentioning flare ups that the UK has helped stop. The more important thing is how many issues the UK has stopped from happening by just having it’s navy and other forces.
As all other countries in the world increase defence spending and invest in new tech the UK is far behind. The RN is a shadow of it’s former self. It would struggle to provide a decent escort force for merchant ships. The UK relies on Ship trade to keep fed and oiled. If trouble kicks off in the world and merchant ships get sunk the UK starves.
The story said there are 3 STOVL B model test aircraft and only 1 A model. I take it the F-35B has taken priority to get it rolling out the factory first? Or is it a case of this aircraft requires a lot more testing because of the STOVL lift fan etc?
Does anyone know what the aircraft production slots are going to be? I’ve read numbers about how many aircraft are getting bought each year but not as to what type they will be? A, B or C. Anyone got any idea’s what model is coming out in what number’s. Are the first production models still coming in 2013? Any idea when the first foreign aircraft are coming out the line? I hope the UK are still getting there aircraft on schedule. it needs to have at least 2 squadron ready to fly by 2014-16 but i’ve got a feeling this will be pushed back. If anyone at the MOD had any sense they would bring the carriers back to the original schedule and save 1 billion pounds and use this to buy more F-35’s. I still can’t believe the UK fiddled with the carrier delivery dates to save a few million pounds in the short term but it’s going to cost over 1 billion pounds more in the long run. Are they trying to get the project cancelled!! I now know why the UK has such big defence expenditure but such little forces and equipment. Unbelievable!!!
I read Lockheed are going to be making nearly 1 fighter per day? This should be good to see. I wonder if i can get a job as a delivery pilot!!
Talking about the Mig-23. What are the main differences between the Mig-23 and the Mig-27? I know the Mig-27 was built as ground attack and the Mig-23 was meant to be a fighter?
How well does the Mig-27 fit this role. I think that some airforces still operate the 27 (sri-lanka, India?)
I’m guessing the Mig-23 came first and an opportunity was seen to develop it into a ground attack aircraft.
another question is how good is the Mig-23 as a fighter? It seems to offer a number of improvements over the Mig-21.
One last thing is i’m sure i’ve heard of the Mig-23 being used in the ground attack role. Is this true and if so how good is it at this role?
For a GR4 replacement it is really anyone’s guess just now. While i believe that if the UK (and possibly other Tornado operators) really rely on the Tornado just now i’m not sure it will be replaced with an equally good aircraft at it’s role. The replacement aircraft should be better than the Tonka and be a 2 seater low level strike fighter. Now if we are looking at a straight replacement for the mission the Tornado was built for i would be guessing the major improvements would be the ability to super cruise at low altitude (not sure if this will be possible), 2 seats, a larger war load (compared to the Tornado’s ability to carry 2 paveways and a targeting pod), longer range/loiter time, better battle field reconnaissance, ability to easily control UAV/UCAV’s.
The question is do the airforces need a low level strike bomber? Would the airforces be better of with some bigger bomber’s and UCAV’s and COIN aircraft? If you could cheaply develop a kind of cross between a B1 and the tornado then i think this would be ok. If looking at the UK forces only the Tornado will be retired with no replacement. Sure the MOD will say we have some UCAV’s and eurofighters that will fulfill the role better.
It will come down to a defence review and what comes out of this. It looks like cuts all round. If the UK is not going to have the ability conduct operations by its self then what do they need a bomb truck for.
The one possibility that could be a saving grace would be a development with European partner’s for there Tornado replacements or a possible aircraft built in partnerships with France. (on the french front i’ve got a feeling that all there aircraft are to be replaced by Rafale.
An interesting idea i have to keep costs down is take the Tornado airframe, give it a redesign with extended fuselage and lots more fuel. Stick 2 eurofighter engines in it upgraded to give more power at the flying environments, do as much stealth enhancements as possible. Stick new electronics in it. possible small internal bomb bay but with the ability to carry lots of external stores. Keep the 2 seats and the ability to control UAV’s. upgraded electronic counter measures with the possible ability to become an electronic jammer attack aircraft.
For the UK’s case, In reality none of this will happen and the GR4 will be used until they fall out of the sky. Then some Typhoons will be rerolled to replace it with a possible purchase of 2 squadrons of F35C if they are lucky. Most likely the F35B will assume this role. It will depend on numbers of F35B bought. if the 138 are bought then this isn’t such a big issue. If only 50-60 are bought then there will be a constant fight between the navy for the carriers and the RAF for what ever they want to do with them. a possible second purchase of B models may be looked at. The only interesting development will be UCAV’s like Taranis. But can these do the missions of the tornado in Afghanistan just now? who knows?
The main thing is going to be cost. If everything mentioned here is included in an aircraft it’s going to be to expensive to purchase. With F-35 and PAK-FA coming online soon it will be at least 20 years before 6th generation new aircraft is made. That’s not to say new technology wont be incorporated into current and 5th generation aircraft. Look at the Tornado GR4 for example. When this was first made in the 1970’s-80’s it was a good low level bomb truck that was state of the art. Now it is pretty state of the art even by today’s standards. Most equipment has been upgraded and is constantly being upgraded. The F-16 is another example. Compare the 1st models with today’s block 60 aircraft and the difference is amazing. It’s still the same airframe but completely different underneath.
I will need to have a look at that article.
On the MOD site they have lots of pictures doted about the place.
Here is one from kandahar with the targeting pod and 2 Paveways IV i think.
Another question for europe is Are typhoons and Rafales going to be good enough to take on F-35’s and PAK-FA’s? I sometimes wonder if in the UK’s case whether we should just get 100 Typhoons and cut our losses and develop a new or serious Typhoon upgrade? Put it down to an expensive lesson in how not to do procurement. If the Typhoon had been developed and was in service within 10 years it would have been the correct aircraft flying in the correct environment. When was typhoon project started in the 80’s or even earlier in the 70’s!! If it had of been flying in service from 1985 onwards and was purchased at a decent rate we would not be building now an aircarft was 20 years to late for the job it’s good at.
The uk if doing an other european development needs to have water tight development ensuring that development is proceeded at top speed and flying in service occurs no less than 10 years after first design. This was the UK might actually get the aircraft it needs for current roles.
The drawn out progress of procurement in the UK has really messed things up and has cost loads more than the systems should of. Take Type 45 this should of been in service 10-15 years ago. Typhoon needed in 1988. Nimrod expected 10-15 years ago. CVF asked for in 1998. Type 22-23 replacement. Is this anywhere? Astute submarines deplayed and costing much more than expected becuase of slow build rate and skills gap etc. I could go on all day.
If the UK is going to develop a new fighter to be better than PAK-FA and 5th generation i hope the UK goes with Sweeden for a speedy program. In reality i don’t see europe buying or making any 5th generation except for F-35. What a shame. If a 5th generation was to be developed to face PAK-FA etc it will need to be better than PAK-FA becuase of the small numbers of aircarft europe buys. maybe we are in the 6th generation then? extreme stealth, all round radar’s, super cruise of mach 2 and 2 seats for battlespace management etc
The aircraft are rotated through the Sandbox to maintain a similar level of flying hours across the fleet as well as to allow for maintainance which cannot be done in the field, however, each new set of pilots don’t turn up with their own aircraft.
What’s the sandbox? Is that RAF speak for a maintence yard. I wonder how often they are rotated? It will be interesting to find out how many aircarft are there. I’m not sure how many aircraft have been fitted with the TERRA? ECM pod. I don’t know if they are just available for the afghan environment or whether they are going to be implemented accross the fleet.
If the UK is deploying 10-12 ground attack aircraft, How does this compare to other countries aircraft number’s?
One more video
http://video.yandex.ru/users/russian…sianarms&cid=2
another side view.
This view from the side is interesting. I show the sheer size of the thing, It looks big. from the picture is see a big resemblence to the F-22 and F-35 from the canopy and nose.
Well done Russia i hope it flys as good as it looks.
I think the idea of a COIN carrier is quite similar to what the UK for example does just now. It has 20,000 ton carriers that operate 15+ Ground attack harriers. These are not fitted with radar or made for fleet defence. There main role is bomb and shoot rockets at the enemy. If the MOD didn’t make such a **** up of everything they would have 1-2 30mm or 25 mm cannon’s to fire aswell. The harrier would be the only aircraft available to most european countries if an airfield and landing rights were not available.
Now with range and loiter time is harrier’s isn’t fantastic it’s speed makes up for that a little bit. If you were just to operate COIN turbo prop aircraft the carrier’s are limited to that role only. If you could operate a coin and UAV/UCAV aircraft from small carrier as well as having your 5-6 harriers for other roles i think that would be a real selling point for some countries.
My only worry with a COIN carrier is that while it may be useful just now it may be a complete waste in future conflicts. Flexibility is the key word in procurement just now. We keep hearing some defence people in the UK saying we should scrap all future ships and aircraft and just centre around special forces and anti-terror troops i don’t think this should be done. My concern with the COIN carrier is that this would come at the expence of the main carriers and other ships/subs. If it was an extra purchase then i’m all for it but i would prefer to see COIN aircraft developed to fly off a current or future carriers.
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Here’s a picture from an RAF Phantom carrying quite a lot.
A phantom dropping 18 500lb bombs.
What’s the wisper mode on the Helicopters? I’ve never heard of this before. How quite can you make a helicopter with those big blades.
I think they are Kreuger-style flaps.
All MiG-29s – from the very first prototype – have had twin nosewheels.
Maybe you are thinking of the Su-27 ???
Ken
Oh well you learn something new everyday. I’d never actually noticed the Mig-29 had a double front wheel. I always though this would be for navy or big aircraft.
Is there a particular reason for he 29 to have the double front wheel?
Are the open panels not for the undercarriage? Or do you mean what looks like to smaller rectangle panels just before the Wing? If it’s these i am guessing but maybe some kind of lift devices? These aircraft need to take off in a really small length so any additional lift will be welcomed.
I’ve often wondered why the MIG-29 KUB would require a double front wheel? Has this aircraft been strengthened for catapult launches. Maybe this is why it has the double from wheel.