Q: The visit of HH prince Khaled Bin Sultan assistant minister of defense to Paris where he met with the French minister of defense, does that has any relevance to the French media reports during HH crown prince visit that the kingdom is considering to buy French Rafale aircrafts? Has the kingdom agreed that a bridge will be erected between Abu Dhabi and Doha that passes across Saudi territory and that a Qatari pipeline to Kuwait will be placed across Saudi territory?

A: We have long-established relations with France in the area of defense. The visit of HH Khaled is made upon an invitation from the French government in continuation to the cooperation talks between the two parties. Regarding Rafale aircrafts, nothing is announced. You may contact ministry of defense and aviation for details.

http://www.mofa.gov.sa/Detail.asp?InSectionID=3953&InNewsItemID=36934

seems tha red shark exercises made more influences in saudies minds than hopes of a british tornado “saudi patient” member there!

These are the clows who will fly that piece of junk called Mirage. 🙁

maybe it’s time to stop drugs! junky mate

what is the plot, why saudies wouldn’t choose a US or UK plane?

politics what?

Bush do what he want, and the saudi gov is fighting bin laden too, so speculations about politics ares so stupid!

if the russian decide to build a stealth aircraft, with actual techologies, it will be far cheaper than F22 and they know alot about aeronautics too!

now Russia isn’t an enemy, and it would be nice to see the exeptional russian abilities to make formidable planes going on!

“”I will come to that topic later in the part 3 of my comparison.
Only one thing. There was a nice report from a french journalist flying in the backseat of Rafale B302. He claimed the takeoffweight was 16,4t with a 1250 l tank and 4 MICAs.
So let’s subtract 16,4 t minus 1,4 t (should be the weight of tank and for MICAs). So you have 15 t.
Oh it’s becoming interesting let’s subtract 4,3 t of internal fuel and we have at least 10,7 t empty weight for a Rafale B.
oohps weight topic again “””

Scorpion you are a gugus wasting his time requoting false or biased datas!

you even forget that the eurofighter was deigned for quick air attack alert from the red, it’s first role is AoA superiority, Rafale first rolme is AoA, Strike, carrier and nuke and was designed with that in mind, your talks about multi role is so ridiculous, the F18 was designed in mind to replace the tomcat, and reveleted as a good swing role plane later!

don’t be childish!

how could you eurofighter would do the same rates of mission, doing the same as a Rafale that have 2 more weight points under wings, where do you place your tanks and SCALP? dumby! a Rafale will always have the edge of payload and best versatility, i remind you that Rafale have 14 points 5 weight “heavy load”, eurofighter have 13 with 3 wet!

and pls don’t speculate a weight of Rafale on the B302, you looklike more ridiculous!
for your information the B302 is a tester, i mean this planes is fulfilled with control devices and systems checkers, all tester ares around 10% heavier, since the plane history started!

so i like you all pointing the 13g g limit of the eurofrighter, good, but your pilot would be prying to have side stick and a 32° seat to cope with all this G “limit”, lol, he would dream to be into a rafale, isn’t it?

you liltle buggers try to convince with a short leg overweight plane who crashed and was delyaed, that politicians don’t beleive in no more, who lost challenges around the world against older fighters, with a 80’s type cockpit, a stick between the legs without modern anti g device, poor charge and wet points, and a mechanical sensor that ares usual in this type actually on fighters, with a bit upgraded FLIR/IIR systems to be the F22 challenger, or Rafale one, hey, vous nous faites beaucoup rire!

seems you have lots of time to waste for stheril blah blah! do it!

“typhoon replacing 9 specialised aircrafts??? there ares planes sweeping the soil??? “

Tmor, pls, don’t get me all type and brand of aircrafts!

ares you all dumbies or what?

when i talk about specialised aircrafts, i don’t speak about brands, i’m talking about Missions specialised planes and roles, so what the diferences between a Tornado, F18, F16 etc etc etc etc launching an air missile??

Rafale will replace Mirage IV recce, the SEM and the Nuke Mirage 2000..
is the typhoon doing same? lol

Typhoon is 13g limit???

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-27,GGLD:fr&q=eurofighter+G+limit

well even the MoD discuss about the g limit of the typhoon +9/-3

Rafale G limit ares +11/-3.6

typhoon replacing 9 specialised aircrafts??? there ares planes sweeping the soil???
where the typhoon was designed for aircrafts carrier, or strikes? recce?

i don’t speak about somes of the roles of a aircraft will be able to do, i talk about the first design, and it seems that the eurofighter was designed as an air superiority jet, not a striker or others roles in mind first, as the rafale was designed as a omnirole fighter, being equal to all task he will have!

it seems that you are talking about sensors fusion, the F16 block 60, F15 K and M2k – 5 -9 ares sensors fusion, what is your point?

i talk about the fact that integrated sensors and software of rafale give it the multitask abilities to strike and follow land maps while simultanously able to AoA any thread, it’s the only one in the next gen fighter to do it, you say that captor is able of 70* angle “to what distance?? “, it’s ridiculous comparated to a fixed array, as i said if dassault was for a “captor mecha like” radar system , they would put a RDY 2, i don’t even talk about the doppler’s modes and speed sweeps diferences between a old tech as captor and an electronic array as RBE2!

beleive me, if the captor was a title winner, all the yanks and others would put back an old mecha antenna on their products!

“”I know about the capabilities of OSF thanks. By the way PIRATE is also fully integrated within other sensors. That’s called sensor fusion realizied via the AIS in the Typhoon and via SNA in the Rafale. Short all data (OSF/PIRATE, SPECTRA/DASS and CAPTOR/RBE-2 as well as MIDS data will be processed and fused together. The pilot sees a complete tactical picture with informations from all sources and the single systems can interact with each other as well.””

what are you talking about Scorpion, i don’t understand, the Dass is an evolution of actal FLIR systems, what i say to you is that OSF have twice the devices coupled with a cam and all other sensors, say me where the DASS Pirate do a better integration???

say where your captor will point when plane will comes from 10h and another to 14h ??

the best fighter is the first to kill, i don’t say the rafale will be the first, i say you that Rafale was developed with more needs at his basement about replacing 7 specialised aircrafts than typhoon eurofighter or whatever you want!

university of shefield, pls scorpion, there are about 80 university working on doppler signals, Thales is just at the final stage, if it isn’t already fitted on somes rafales, ONERA is working on since 1986…..

Scorpion for you the eurostuff is best, good, its cool, for you!